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« Reply #330 on: August 04, 2011, 23:45:44 »

Decision on what to do with them may be September.

A hunch or information from a good source?
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« Reply #331 on: August 05, 2011, 05:25:58 »

It'll have to wait until Parliament is not in recess, thats for sure
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« Reply #332 on: August 22, 2011, 13:43:11 »

FGW (First Great Western) put out a tender for the refurbishment of up to 6 x 180s.  As only 5 are coming off-lease, where would the 6th one come from?
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« Reply #333 on: August 22, 2011, 13:43:52 »

'up to'....
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« Reply #334 on: August 22, 2011, 13:45:47 »

Yes but if it's just the East Coast 5 they plan on getting then it's up to 5.  Up to 6 suggests they're hopeful of getting an additional 180 from either Hull Trains or Grand Central.
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« Reply #335 on: August 22, 2011, 13:47:17 »

that may have been the case when they put in the tender? Or maybe they were just covering bases? I would too....
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« Reply #336 on: August 22, 2011, 14:24:24 »

These sort of tenders hardly ever work in specific numbers for some reason.  I've seen an SWT (South West Trains) tender for something like 100 - 180 EMU (Electric Multiple Unit) carriages, when everyone expected 140.

It may just be that there's an HT (Hull Trains) unit needs an overhaul, and there are obvious economies of scale if they all get done sequentially...
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« Reply #337 on: August 22, 2011, 14:27:14 »

It'll have to wait until Parliament is not in recess, thats for sure

Would it really need to wait for parliament to be open?  The DFT (Department for Transport) just announced the transfer of LM (London Midland - recent franchise)'s 150s during the recess, that's not much different a decision.

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« Reply #338 on: August 22, 2011, 14:40:08 »

These sort of tenders hardly ever work in specific numbers for some reason.  I've seen an SWT (South West Trains) tender for something like 100 - 180 EMU (Electric Multiple Unit) carriages, when everyone expected 140.

That's probably to cover when DfT» (Department for Transport - about) decide to not go ahead with the expected order.  The TPE (Trans Pennine Express) order was expected to be 168 carriages initially, going up to 224. Yet only 153 were actually ordered.  If the tender had specified exactly 168 then Siemens could have probably taken legal action.


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It may just be that there's an HT (Hull Trains) unit needs an overhaul, and there are obvious economies of scale if they all get done sequentially...

Doubtful the Hull Trains 180s have all received internal refurbishment at Kilmarnock.  It's only the EC sets (including those subleased to Northern) and Grand Central sets which have the full original interior.
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« Reply #339 on: September 15, 2011, 11:12:31 »

There must be 180 flu going around at the moment.  Hull Trains and Grand Central are working together and maintaining and using each other trains due to the numbers failing.  Northern have all three out-of-order and are using 2x142s on one diagram and a single 150 on the other and that's with the extra 150 being subleased from ATW (Arriva Trains Wales (former TOC (Train Operating Company))).  Someone was reported as passing out on the single 150 yesterday and the guard couldn't be informed as the train was so packed and the passengers realised that pulling the communication chord would stop the train in the middle of no-where which wouldn't have helped.
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« Reply #340 on: September 15, 2011, 15:17:39 »

There must be 180 flu going around at the moment.

There has been since 2002 hasn't there?
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« Reply #341 on: September 15, 2011, 15:26:50 »

There must be 180 flu going around at the moment.

There has been since 2002 hasn't there?

Yes but it must be peak season for it.

Maybe Altsom's Chester depot have the vaccine, they seem to have found one for the 175s.
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« Reply #342 on: September 19, 2011, 16:56:24 »

<<RUMOUR>>

A PAD» (Paddington (London) - next trains) TM(resolve) told me yesterday that they would be learning the Henley branch and that Adelantes would be used on SOME services there, possibly as early as Dec, but more likely to be next May.  I have to stress that this is purely rumour and has no official foundation.
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« Reply #343 on: September 19, 2011, 17:07:38 »

Yes, that is indeed the rumour.  Likely to be one of the down trains in the evening I believe, having worked an Oxford to Paddington service.  Certainly things are getting desperately tight for a December re-introduction now!
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« Reply #344 on: September 19, 2011, 17:54:00 »

I've heard this rumour as well. Apparently some Oxford drivers will be learning the Henley branch as a result which Reading drivers aren't too pleased about.

The obvious train for it to be used on would be the 1906 as the 1712 and 1812 are direct, but painfully slow!
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