South Wales local services - Pembroke, Fishguard, Swanline, etc.

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Could have been slip of the tongue bot not serious.  Congrtas to ATW^▸ (Arriva Trains Wales (former TOC^▸ (Train Operating Company))) for finding a 150 to strengthen a regularly overcrowded train.   As 158 working was possible.   Can't stick anything to strengthen a 175.

[Jez]

The HOW could technically have 2 diagrams but it currently has 3 as one swaps with Swanline. All 3 diagrams are involved with Swanline at some point of the day in order to swap a 153 between Canton and Shrewsbury each day.

Currently I think the diagrams are as follows

Diagram 1 - 150 (off the overnight fishguard and pemb dock previous day)

0434 Swansea-Shrewsbury
0900 Shrewsbury-Swansea-Newport
14xx Newport-Swansea-Llanelli
16xx Llanelli-Swansea-Cardiff Central

Diagram 2 - 153

07xx Cardiff-Swansea
0916 Swansea-Shrewsbury
1404 Shrewsbury-Swansea
1821 Swansea-Shrewsbury

Diagram 3 - 153

0519 Shrewsbury-Swansea-Newport
10xx Newport-Swansea
1316 Swansea-Shrewsbury
1805 Shrewsbury-Swansea
2032 Swansea-Cardiff Central

I understand the set that goes up to Shrewsbury the next day does the Shrews-Crewe Local. And then comes back down as the first HOW the day after that.

Its very rare that ive seen 158s on the Manchesters at all recently, apart from the ones booked on Saturday and Sundays.  Well done to ATW^▸ (Arriva Trains Wales (former TOC^▸ (Train Operating Company))) for having extra capacity on this service.

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Correct.   153 at Shrewsbury to locals finish at Crewe and part of ECS^▸ (Empty Coaching Stock) from Crewe to Shrewsbury for 05 19.  Call it 2A if you like.

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Two on HOWL? How many diagrams does HOWL see then, given a 150 off Pembroke Dock was mentioned above as going onto HOWL the next morning?

Two plus one closely related diagram on Swanline with interworking between the three.

Thanks, so the 150 mentioned as coming off Pembroke Dock is just an interworking not a third HOWL diagram. That makes HOWL's 2 diagrams 1 150 and 1 153, depending on what's on the Swanline diagram you mention.

[phile]

HOWL is 3 Diagrams - 1 x 150 and 2 x 153 with 2 of them part time Swanline.

[Jez]

Two on HOWL? How many diagrams does HOWL see then, given a 150 off Pembroke Dock was mentioned above as going onto HOWL the next morning?

Two plus one closely related diagram on Swanline with interworking between the three.

Thanks, so the 150 mentioned as coming off Pembroke Dock is just an interworking not a third HOWL diagram. That makes HOWL's 2 diagrams 1 150 and 1 153, depending on what's on the Swanline diagram you mention.

No. If you dont count the Swanline 150 diagram, then 2 diagrams, both of which are both booked 153.

As I posted above the 8 HOW journeys (4 up and 4 down) are covered by 3 diagrams, one covering 2 journeys (1 up 1 down) and the other 2 each covering 3 journeys.

On Sundays I think a 150 and a 153 are booked to cover the 2 journeys in each direction. 

Its a shame the HOW doesnt have a better service, I certainly think at least a 2 hourly Swansea or Llanelli to Llandovery service should run in addition to the current services. But then someone would have to pay for the running costs as well as supply more sprinters.

[phile]

As posted earlier, Diagrams 1, 2 and 3 which makes 3 to me.    i X 150 (Part Swanline) and2 X 153s )1 of which part time Swanline

[Jez]

Does anyone know what is booked to run the Sunday 1135 Cardiff-Manchester and 1530 Manchester-Cardiff return? Thanks.

[phile]

See Rail UK^▸ (United Kingdom) Forums for my reply.   The answer is nobody until tomorrow.

[Jez]

Its turns out that particular diagram we discussed last week was 2 x 150s.

Does anyone know what is booked for the Pembroke Saturdays services - i know in the week they are 2 pacers and a 150 but wondered if that was the case on a Saturday.

[Jez]

The Gloucester-Fishguard service (leaves Swansea around 5pm) was a 2 car 175 today. Rare to see a 175 on this service its usually a 158 or 150. Rare for a 175 to cover a 158 diagram, usually its the other way around!

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The Gloucester-Fishguard service (leaves Swansea around 5pm) was a 2 car 175 today. Rare to see a 175 on this service its usually a 158 or 150. Rare for a 175 to cover a 158 diagram, usually its the other way around!

It was a 3 car 175 on Thursday. 175108 

[Hafren]

Does anyone know what is booked for the Pembroke Saturdays services - i know in the week they are 2 pacers and a 150 but wondered if that was the case on a Saturday.

On the bank holiday Saturday (first of summer timetable) there was at least one Pacer and a 150, and I think the other was a Pacer as well. The 150 was on the 19xx PMD-CDF^» (Cardiff - next trains) which I think would go back to the 11am CMN-PMD, on which it would make sense to have the extra space of a 150.

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The Gloucester-Fishguard service (leaves Swansea around 5pm) was a 2 car 175 today. Rare to see a 175 on this service its usually a 158 or 150. Rare for a 175 to cover a 158 diagram, usually its the other way around!

175/158 Diagrams mass amendments today due Engineering work on Marches.

[Jez]

I travelled to Tenby today using the FGW^▸ (First Great Western) HST^▸ (High Speed Train), first time ive travelled west of Swansea on a FGW service. It was fairly well used but plenty of empty seats. Most of the platforms west of Swansea are not long enough for all carriages to be on the platform but the train staff are very good at ensuring passengers leaving the train are in the right place to get off.

The return journey (1655 from Tenby) was a pacer. It was very busy but not every seat was taken so not too bad. I imagine it will get busier in July/August. What i found odd waas that the pacer rrived at Carmarthen at around 1745 then everyone travelling beyond Carmarthen was told to get the 1807 service (3 car 175) and the pacer going onwards to Swansea wasnt departing until 1833 but its still a through train from Pembroke Dock to Swansea, would be better if it was Pembroke to Carmarthen then terminates and then a separate service from Carmarthen to Swansea later on. A few people were confused why they had to change when it says Swansea on the front of the train.