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« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2010, 09:27:46 » |
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« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2010, 14:12:22 » |
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There is nothing about the slam door that is unsafe, 150/1s haven't been barred from stopping at Avoncliff!
Sigh! The slam door is not a passenger access door (in normal circumstances) and it is clearly not desireable to have passengers using it. what is difference between using slam door at short platform stations like avoncliff etc and using power single door of a 150/2 at same said stations?? You are right in that (150/2 local door) does happen now. But it is an interlocked door (the brakes are on in Step 3 when open). There is no such protection in a 150/1 hence the slam doors are not passenger doors in normal operation. Having said that, neither is ideal. AIUI▸ the plan for refurb is to put intermediate door controls on to allow the leading pair of double doors to be used at such stations. I have lost count the number of times people have struggled / cursed / failed to get Bikes / buggies / XYZ through the single leaf of a 142 at St. James Park. If it happens, I think it will be welcomed by our customers. Incidently I think it is also planned to change the vestibule door locks (to what I don't know). |
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« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2010, 20:49:30 » |
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Vestibule door locks were being considered for a T-Key lock change, but again if money is tight, then I doubt that'll happen and it'll be BR1 all the way.
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« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2010, 20:41:42 » |
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« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2010, 18:49:52 » |
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The current 'refurb' on 150121 will NOT feature intermediate door controls. It will also NOT feature new locks on crew vestibule doors, however money has been invested in new stickers reminding you to 'Remember BR▸ 1 Key'. 150121 is also set to emerge from Laira in Silverlink livery.
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« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2010, 09:06:20 » |
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When will it receive a new livery then? Seems like the works were completely pointless if they are only going to do half a job? Surely have been better to wait until they receive more units and do the full thing?
Is the 3+2 seating likely to remain after the full refurb at a later date?
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« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2010, 14:40:39 » |
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more info on the 150/1 "refresh" they are having a minor tart up for want of a better word.
similar to what they did to 142 fleet,not sure if they are getting new paint job yet?? one would expect it to but if money is tight then i doubt it.
once we get all other 150/1's they will get a more substantial refresh as part of FGW30 program.
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« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2010, 17:17:35 » |
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Whats the FGW30??
Are the silverlink sets in a bad state then, to the extent they need a refurb? Seems stupid, as they are happy to have the coaching stock on the loco hauled set running about in non FGW▸ interior.
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« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2010, 23:03:34 » |
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121 should keep Silverlink for meantime, but 127 follows it into Laira it should emerge reliveried....
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« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2010, 11:10:26 » |
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it was mentioned in the weekly staff newsletter that it is just a tart up that they are having and a full refurb will follow when we recieve the rest of the jung from LM▸ , they are in a hell of a state at the moment internally!
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« Reply #25 on: June 05, 2010, 11:35:50 » |
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And with short-forming of units what it is at the moment, the sooner they are out of Laira and in-service the better, regardless of exterior!
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« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2010, 20:51:14 » |
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121 should keep Silverlink for meantime, but 127 follows it into Laira it should emerge reliveried....
150127 will be liveried in a simalar manner to the HST▸ power cars, using paint and no vinils. Common sense has prevailed regarding sticking large vinils onto steel bodied carriages 121 & 127 will be tagged onto the end of the refresh program for the other 150/1's after these have been done. However none of these 150/1's will recieve local lines livery vinils. |
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« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2010, 20:58:13 » |
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There is nothing about the slam door that is unsafe, 150/1s haven't been barred from stopping at Avoncliff!
150121 and 150127 are also permitted to call at St James Park in the Exmouth bound direction when in multi with another unit. You are right in that (150/2 local door) does happen now. But it is an interlocked door (the brakes are on in Step 3 when open). There is no such protection in a 150/1 hence the slam doors are not passenger doors in normal operation. What happens to the brake interlock on a 150/2 if the driver puts the F&R switch to Neutral when the train comes to a stop & before the guard releases or operates any of the doors?  The slam crew doors behind the cabs are not accessible to the public as the saloon end doors are of the type which requires a BR1 key to operate the handle from the passenger side of the door. Ideally this lock would be changed for a T Key type lock as fitted to the Cab doors on the other 14x / 15x but it is not a safety requirement per se that the locks are changed. |
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« Reply #28 on: June 07, 2010, 10:38:11 » |
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150121 and 150127 are also permitted to call at St James Park in the Exmouth bound direction when in multi with another unit.
Hasn't happened yet though, to my knowledge at least. It was being discussed in the Messroom at EX the other day and nobody could think of an occasion when 150/1+ anything had been to Exmouth. But when there are 17 on the fleet it'll happen |
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« Reply #29 on: June 07, 2010, 20:51:47 » |
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There is nothing about the slam door that is unsafe, 150/1s haven't been barred from stopping at Avoncliff!
150121 and 150127 are also permitted to call at St James Park in the Exmouth bound direction when in multi with another unit. You are right in that (150/2 local door) does happen now. But it is an interlocked door (the brakes are on in Step 3 when open). There is no such protection in a 150/1 hence the slam doors are not passenger doors in normal operation. What happens to the brake interlock on a 150/2 if the driver puts the F&R switch to Neutral when the train comes to a stop & before the guard releases or operates any of the doors? The slam crew doors behind the cabs are not accessible to the public as the saloon end doors are of the type which requires a BR1 key to operate the handle from the passenger side of the door. Ideally this lock would be changed for a T Key type lock as fitted to the Cab doors on the other 14x / 15x but it is not a safety requirement per se that the locks are changed. well i see where you are going brakes in any step and neutral selected before door release brakes can be released with doors open so long as you do not select direction or go in to emergency,then you will need doors shutting to re-release brakes. |
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