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« on: May 09, 2010, 23:54:39 »

The 1357 Paddington/Plymouth HST (High Speed Train) was today(Sunday) hit by objects thrown by a group of youths as it passed Athelney‎,Somerset near Taunton causing a broken vestibule door window in the second coach.After attention at Taunton the train continued on to Plymouth arriving about 25 minutes late.If could have been much much worse.
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« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2010, 00:25:02 »

Unfortunately it's happened before and no doubt will happen again Sad
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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2010, 08:39:22 »

I've been on a bus just outside Havant where some local yobs chucked a brick through the window.  The window smashed and the brick landed on the seat.  Fortunately there was no-one sat nearby.  Very scary incident that could have been much more dangerous.

Perhaps a job for our new government?  Finding things for these kids to do?
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« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2010, 13:29:26 »

Perhaps a job for our new government?  Finding things for these kids to do?

The Olympic Shot Put perhaps?  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2010, 13:32:43 »

is that near stoke st gregory?
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« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2010, 14:25:52 »



Perhaps a job for our new government?  Finding things for these kids to do?

Its more a case of parents taking responsibility for their little darlings.
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« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2010, 17:07:50 »

is that near stoke st gregory?

Yes it is relex Wink

I remember travelling on a bus a little while back to Stoke St Gregory village hall from Taunton (Stagecoach Service IIRC (if I recall/remember/read correctly)) for a conference... The Bus actually takes you just the other side of Athelney Level Crossing, before backtracking and then taking the turning down towards the village hall.
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« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2010, 17:21:29 »

Offences against the Person Act 1861

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33. Casting stone, &c. upon a railway carriage, with intent to endanger the safety of any person therein.
Whosoever shall unlawfully and maliciously throw, or cause to fall or strike, at, against, into, or upon any engine, tender, carriage, or truck used upon any railway, any wood, stone, or other matter or thing, with intent to injure or endanger the safety of any person being in or upon such engine, tender, carriage, or truck, or in or upon any other engine, tender, carriage, or truck of any train of which such first-mentioned engine, tender, carriage, or truck shall form part, shall be guilty of felony, and being convicted thereof shall be liable to be kept in penal servitude for life

This part of the act would appear to be still in force.
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« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2010, 17:32:25 »

Perhaps a job for our new government?  Finding things for these kids to do?

Make it compulsory for each train to have a mini trebuchet and adequate training for drivers to return fire accurately  Wink
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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2010, 17:39:23 »

Offences against the Person Act 1861

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33. Casting stone, &c. upon a railway carriage, with intent to endanger the safety of any person therein.
Whosoever shall unlawfully and maliciously throw, or cause to fall or strike, at, against, into, or upon any engine, tender, carriage, or truck used upon any railway, any wood, stone, or other matter or thing, with intent to injure or endanger the safety of any person being in or upon such engine, tender, carriage, or truck, or in or upon any other engine, tender, carriage, or truck of any train of which such first-mentioned engine, tender, carriage, or truck shall form part, shall be guilty of felony, and being convicted thereof shall be liable to be kept in penal servitude for life

This part of the act would appear to be still in force.

Unfortunately the Criminal Justice Act 1948 says this:
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1 Abolition of penal servitude, hard labour and prison divisions

(1)No person shall be sentenced by a court to penal servitude; and every enactment conferring power on a court to pass a sentence of penal servitude in any case shall be construed as conferring power to pass a sentence of imprisonment for a term not exceeding the maximum term of penal servitude for which a sentence could have been passed in that case immediately before the commencement of this Act. ...
However the life part still stands, unless someone can find something to the contrary.
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« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2010, 18:18:45 »

is that near stoke st gregory?

Yes it is relex Wink

I remember travelling on a bus a little while back to Stoke St Gregory village hall from Taunton (Stagecoach Service IIRC (if I recall/remember/read correctly)) for a conference... The Bus actually takes you just the other side of Athelney Level Crossing, before backtracking and then taking the turning down towards the village hall.

im ive driven over it while performing my fun job
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« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2010, 11:07:27 »

Offences against the Person Act 1861

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33. Casting stone, &c. upon a railway carriage, with intent to endanger the safety of any person therein.
Whosoever shall unlawfully and maliciously throw, or cause to fall or strike, at, against, into, or upon any engine, tender, carriage, or truck used upon any railway, any wood, stone, or other matter or thing, with intent to injure or endanger the safety of any person being in or upon such engine, tender, carriage, or truck, or in or upon any other engine, tender, carriage, or truck of any train of which such first-mentioned engine, tender, carriage, or truck shall form part, shall be guilty of felony, and being convicted thereof shall be liable to be kept in penal servitude for life

This part of the act would appear to be still in force.

Unfortunately the Criminal Justice Act 1948 says this:
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1 Abolition of penal servitude, hard labour and prison divisions

(1)No person shall be sentenced by a court to penal servitude; and every enactment conferring power on a court to pass a sentence of penal servitude in any case shall be construed as conferring power to pass a sentence of imprisonment for a term not exceeding the maximum term of penal servitude for which a sentence could have been passed in that case immediately before the commencement of this Act. ...
However the life part still stands, unless someone can find something to the contrary.

The 1861 also requires intent.
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« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2010, 18:45:33 »

I've been on a bus just outside Havant where some local yobs chucked a brick through the window.  The window smashed and the brick landed on the seat.  Fortunately there was no-one sat nearby.  Very scary incident that could have been much more dangerous.

Perhaps a job for our new government?  Finding things for these kids to do?

Slightly related, but I've been on a Stagecoach Devon 155 (between Exeter, Tiverton & Barnstaple) service which had one of its top windows broken, not by a youth, but by a low tree branch, the driver had to stop near South Molton to push the glass out. It amazes me that they use double deckers on some of these rural routes, when First North Devon operated the route with the 346, they only ever used single deckers, but in those days it was only a Barnstaple-Tiverton service.
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« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2010, 20:25:09 »

Slightly related, but I've been on a Stagecoach Devon 155 (between Exeter, Tiverton & Barnstaple) service which had one of its top windows broken, not by a youth, but by a low tree branch, the driver had to stop near South Molton to push the glass out. It amazes me that they use double deckers on some of these rural routes, when First North Devon operated the route with the 346, they only ever used single deckers, but in those days it was only a Barnstaple-Tiverton service.
Sorry for taking this further off-topic but I was on plenty 346es which were double-deckers (next part of the story would say that these double-deckers were empty with only three passengers betwixt Tivvy and SM while the small single deckers that they used to use as well before they were phased out used to be packed to standing for the entire journey! But I shan't go there yet...)

Perhaps should these yobs ever be caught, the drivers of said vehicles (whether trains, buses, HGVs, motorcycles, etc) should be allowed to throw rocks at them?
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« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2010, 22:19:53 »

Sorry for taking this further off-topic but I was on plenty 346es which were double-deckers (next part of the story would say that these double-deckers were empty with only three passengers betwixt Tivvy and SM while the small single deckers that they used to use as well before they were phased out used to be packed to standing for the entire journey! But I shan't go there yet...)

Really Richie? I am surprises as I can honestly say in all my years of going down to North Devon I can never remember a double decker 346.

The bus always passes by the top of the drive of our house (which was my grandmother's) there, on the B3137. I never really started taking buses around the area until I was a lot older, maybe a year or two before the franchise was handed over to Stagecoach, but I remember the single decker yellow buses (rather confusingly called "First Red Bus" if I remember!) and then First's livery change to white before the route was transferred to Stagecoach and extended to Exeter.
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