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« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2010, 07:19:21 » |
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Yet FGW▸ 's own PF▸ map shows that the route beyond Westbury to Southampton and Portsmouth is not a PF route. Ergo PFs do not apply to FGW at Salisbury and the station should not be a CTA▸ as not all operators calling have a PF scheme for said station. http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Documents/Custom/Penalty%20Fares%20maps.pdf |
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"Treat everyone the same until you find out they're an idiot."
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« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2010, 09:15:01 » |
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Thanks for that link mac, I had seen that map before, but could I find it when I needed it.............  This saga is getting more and more interesting. Is it a CTA.....? Yes: SWT▸ are not obeying the rules. No: What is it ? Can SWT legally do what they are doing ? (In my second letter to SWT I have said it is a de facto CTA - hedging my bets !) |
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« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2010, 14:16:20 » |
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PF▸ 's do not aply on FGW▸ services from Salisbury, YET! There is a good reason why platform tickets are not sold any more at barriered stations, that is because joe scrote would buy a platform ticket just to get through the barriers and then jump on a train, yes, some of you will say "well they just need to buy a ticket to the next station", which is true, but a platform ticket is 10p a lot less than the average "next stop" ticket. However, FGW will let people through who are seeing off relatives etc but this is done on an individual case by case basis.
I don't think salisbury is a CTA▸ , they are quite rare these days but I may be wrong.
I know FGW are toying with the idea of extending their PF areas now after the successful implementation of the Central/west schemes.
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« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2010, 14:26:11 » |
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What is a CTA▸ !?
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« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2010, 14:46:04 » |
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Whenever I see CTA▸ I automatically think of the Chicago Transit Authority, who went on to have a string of hits in the 70s and 80s as just plain Chicago (though to my mind they never really surpassed their first album)
As already revealed elsewhere on the board though, I'm not very good at this acronymn business.
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JayMac
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« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2010, 14:49:07 » |
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Compulsory Ticket Area.
Here's an idea: What about refundable, time limited platform tickets? Priced at, say ^10 - this would deter fare-dodgers from attempting to use a 10p platform ticket for travel.
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« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2010, 14:57:17 » |
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Is there an admin fee for requesting a refund on an unused ticket? If there isn't, it could be possible to buy a ticket to the next stop and use this to get through the barriers. Then use this ticket again to come back out and request a refund as you've decided not to travel.
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Tim
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« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2010, 15:06:20 » |
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At Bath there are no platform tickets and you are allowed through the barriers to see people off but there is a poster suggesting a charity donation if you wish to do this.
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Tim
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« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2010, 15:12:56 » |
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However, FGW▸ will let people through who are seeing off relatives etc but this is done on an individual case by case basis.
IMHO▸ this is open to even more abuse than platform tickets. i don't like these ad hoc type arrnagerments. There needs to be a proper procedure to protect the passenger and staff from acusations of dishonesty. What happens if the staff change during your visit to the platform, the new staff might not be as trusting and acuse you of ticketless travel, and are barrier staff not put in a difficult position re management, let too many people through and they are not protecting revenue, let too few throuigh and they are not being customer friendly. If staff get the discetion thing wrong (as they will sometimes) it just leads to agro and annoyance. |
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« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2010, 16:05:14 » |
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... it could be possible to buy a ticket to the next stop and use this to get through the barriers. Then use this ticket again to come back out and request a refund as you've decided not to travel.
Generally, though, that wouldn't work, as the return part of the ticket should be retained by the barrier machine on your way back out again!  |
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« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2010, 16:09:23 » |
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... it could be possible to buy a ticket to the next stop and use this to get through the barriers. Then use this ticket again to come back out and request a refund as you've decided not to travel.
Generally, though, that wouldn't work, as the return part of the ticket should be retained by the barrier machine on your way back out again! I was thinking of a single. I would have thought it would work as I've accidentally put the wrong part of a day return (the Bristol Temple Meads to Redland part) into the barrier at Temple Meads when leaving which let me through and returned the ticket. |
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« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2010, 17:50:09 » |
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Hmm. I'm rather surprised at that. In the past, I've absent-mindedly put the return portion of my NLS to BRI» ticket into a machine at BRI in the morning - and it's promptly been rejected, the machine telling me to 'seek assistance', while the barrier remains firmly closed! |
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William Huskisson MP▸ was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830. Many more have died in the same way since then. Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.
"Level crossings are safe, unless they are used in an unsafe manner." Discuss.
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« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2010, 18:14:28 » |
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Hmm. I'm rather surprised at that. In the past, I've absent-mindedly put the return portion of my NLS to BRI» ticket into a machine at BRI in the morning - and it's promptly been rejected, the machine telling me to 'seek assistance', while the barrier remains firmly closed! It was quite a while ago - possibly more than a year (can't remember for sure). In any case, I can't see you not being allowed out of the station where you start your journey. I would have thought you could "break" or "terminate" your journey before it has begun? |
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« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2010, 19:09:53 » |
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Is there any way that someone arriving at Salisbury who had travelled from say Westbury without a ticket could be PFd at all?
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« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2010, 19:16:52 » |
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Is there any way that someone arriving at Salisbury who had travelled from say Westbury without a ticket could be PFd at all?
Yes. Westbury is a FGW▸ Penalty Fares station, so you could be PFed if you travelled on FGW. Whether SWT▸ have an agreement with FGW to collect PFs▸ is another matter. SWT do not publish a map showing their PF stations ( AFAIK▸ ) but Wikipedia says "This does not apply west of Salisbury...". There is no citation and I can't verify this anywhere, so I'm not sure how PFs would apply if you travelled with SWT. Don't you just love the complicated revenue enforcement system that privatisation has created  Edit: Actually, I'm not sure whether I'm correct on the first point. Does the train also need to be a PF train or is travelling from a PF station enough? I'm confused |
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