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« Reply #136 on: August 17, 2011, 19:39:53 » |
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Done. This is an obvious solution. Might help the taxman too
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I like to travel. It lets me feel I'm getting somewhere.
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« Reply #137 on: August 17, 2011, 19:42:52 » |
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Signed. No-brainer really!
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Invest in Railways in Devon and Cornwall!
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« Reply #138 on: August 18, 2011, 22:39:06 » |
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Signed.  And, from the BTP▸ website, a press release about (I think) the particular case Electric train mentioned: BROTHERS JAILED AFTER COPPER CABLE BURGLARY SAW MAN ELECTROCUTED ^ BROMLEY, SOUTH LONDON
Two brothers from south London have been jailed after an ill-fated copper cable theft from the railway in the Penge area saw a man fatally electrocuted.
Just three hours after the death of James Smith (28), from Catford, copper stolen during Jason and John Tusting^s raid was sold to a scrap dealer in Peckham.
Following a British Transport Police (BTP) investigation, Jason Tusting (23), of Brockley Mews, Honor Oak, and John Tusting (26), of Burnt Ash Hill, Lee, were sentenced at Blackfriars Crown Court on Friday, 12 August.
Jason Tusting had earlier pleaded guilty to burglary, criminal damage recklessly endangering life and perverting the course of justice and was jailed for four years and eight months.
John Tusting pleaded guilty to burglary and criminal damage recklessly endangering life and was jailed for four years.
Just before 5.30am on Saturday, 4 December 2010, Jason Tusting, John Tusting and James Smith, broke into a substation in the Penge area before stealing a number of copper strips.
However, the burglary went disastrously wrong, with James Smith fatally electrocuted.
At 5.32am, an anonymous man ^ Jason Tusting ^ dialled 999 and told the London Ambulance Service and police that he was at Sydenham rail station and had spotted a man who had been electrocuted trackside.
Officers attended the station and called Jason Tusting, who agreed to attend and assist police. He arrived at the station around 6.45am before giving officers false information about where the incident had happened and then leaving the station.
Just under two hours later, James Smith^s body was discovered outside the substation following a number of trackside searches. His body appeared to have been moved from inside. DNA traces on his lips indicated Jason Tusting had attempted to revive him before leaving the scene with his brother John, who received a massive electrical burn to one of his arms.
His mobile phone was taken, while the key to his silver Vauxhall Astra car was also missing. Neither the car nor phone have been found.
Cable inside the substation was damaged, and some copper strips had been stolen. Officers later discovered the strips, covered in Jason Tusting^s fingerprints, had been sold at a Peckham scrap metal yard around 8.30am that morning.
Officers subsequently spoke to one of Jason Tusting^s relatives, who agreed to bring him to Lewisham police station, where he was arrested.
It was established that John Tusting had been admitted to hospital with serious burns and he was also later arrested.
Detective Sergeant Pete Thrush, of British Transport Police, said: "While Jason and John Tusting have now been sentenced for what they did, James Smith paid the highest price for this incident, with his life. His death serves as a sad and clear reminder of the dangers posed by accessing prohibited parts of the rail network."
In a statement issued through British Transport Police, Catherine Payne, James Smith^s mother, said: "We remain inconsolable by the loss of James and are still trying to come to terms with what happened. We want to thank everyone for the help and support they have given us throughout this difficult time. James was much loved by his family and many friends."
Dave Ward, Network Rail's route managing director for Kent, said: "Cable theft is a major issue on the railway, costing millions of pounds a year and causing unnecessary delay and disruption to passengers. Unfortunately someone has paid the ultimate price and two other people are now in jail for their crimes. This should act as a stark warning to anyone tempted to trespass on the railway or steal metal to think again."
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William Huskisson MP▸ was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830. Many more have died in the same way since then. Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.
"Level crossings are safe, unless they are used in an unsafe manner." Discuss.
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« Reply #139 on: August 19, 2011, 09:28:25 » |
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Signed - no brainer and very poor that Govt haven't done anything already!
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« Reply #140 on: August 19, 2011, 17:20:09 » |
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Signed. And, from the BTP▸ website, a press release about (I think) the particular case Electric train mentioned: BROTHERS JAILED AFTER COPPER CABLE BURGLARY SAW MAN ELECTROCUTED ^ BROMLEY, SOUTH LONDON
Two brothers from south London have been jailed after an ill-fated copper cable theft from the railway in the Penge area saw a man fatally electrocuted.
Just three hours after the death of James Smith (28), from Catford, copper stolen during Jason and John Tusting^s raid was sold to a scrap dealer in Peckham.
Following a British Transport Police (BTP) investigation, Jason Tusting (23), of Brockley Mews, Honor Oak, and John Tusting (26), of Burnt Ash Hill, Lee, were sentenced at Blackfriars Crown Court on Friday, 12 August.
Jason Tusting had earlier pleaded guilty to burglary, criminal damage recklessly endangering life and perverting the course of justice and was jailed for four years and eight months.
John Tusting pleaded guilty to burglary and criminal damage recklessly endangering life and was jailed for four years.
Just before 5.30am on Saturday, 4 December 2010, Jason Tusting, John Tusting and James Smith, broke into a substation in the Penge area before stealing a number of copper strips.
However, the burglary went disastrously wrong, with James Smith fatally electrocuted.
At 5.32am, an anonymous man ^ Jason Tusting ^ dialled 999 and told the London Ambulance Service and police that he was at Sydenham rail station and had spotted a man who had been electrocuted trackside.
Officers attended the station and called Jason Tusting, who agreed to attend and assist police. He arrived at the station around 6.45am before giving officers false information about where the incident had happened and then leaving the station.
Just under two hours later, James Smith^s body was discovered outside the substation following a number of trackside searches. His body appeared to have been moved from inside. DNA traces on his lips indicated Jason Tusting had attempted to revive him before leaving the scene with his brother John, who received a massive electrical burn to one of his arms.
His mobile phone was taken, while the key to his silver Vauxhall Astra car was also missing. Neither the car nor phone have been found.
Cable inside the substation was damaged, and some copper strips had been stolen. Officers later discovered the strips, covered in Jason Tusting^s fingerprints, had been sold at a Peckham scrap metal yard around 8.30am that morning.
Officers subsequently spoke to one of Jason Tusting^s relatives, who agreed to bring him to Lewisham police station, where he was arrested.
It was established that John Tusting had been admitted to hospital with serious burns and he was also later arrested.
Detective Sergeant Pete Thrush, of British Transport Police, said: "While Jason and John Tusting have now been sentenced for what they did, James Smith paid the highest price for this incident, with his life. His death serves as a sad and clear reminder of the dangers posed by accessing prohibited parts of the rail network."
In a statement issued through British Transport Police, Catherine Payne, James Smith^s mother, said: "We remain inconsolable by the loss of James and are still trying to come to terms with what happened. We want to thank everyone for the help and support they have given us throughout this difficult time. James was much loved by his family and many friends."
Dave Ward, Network Rail's route managing director for Kent, said: "Cable theft is a major issue on the railway, costing millions of pounds a year and causing unnecessary delay and disruption to passengers. Unfortunately someone has paid the ultimate price and two other people are now in jail for their crimes. This should act as a stark warning to anyone tempted to trespass on the railway or steal metal to think again."
This was the incident at a site I was project engineer for, the BTP CID and SOCO team need praising for the diligent work they put in, BTP's CID is small compared to civil police and the SOCO even smaller |
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Starship just experienced what we call a rapid unscheduled disassembly, or a RUD, during ascent,”
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« Reply #141 on: August 19, 2011, 17:36:28 » |
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Not a difficult case though, with the deceased very obviously burned...
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« Reply #142 on: August 19, 2011, 18:46:03 » |
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Nevertheless, there was still the need for painstaking evidence to be gathered, to the satisfaction of the court, that the body had been moved, and that someone (identifiable) had attempted to revive the deceased - to prove the charge of attempting to pervert the course of justice.
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William Huskisson MP▸ was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830. Many more have died in the same way since then. Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.
"Level crossings are safe, unless they are used in an unsafe manner." Discuss.
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« Reply #143 on: August 19, 2011, 19:22:47 » |
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Not a difficult case though, with the deceased very obviously burned...
The deceased was not that badly burnt just entry exit burns on lower part of legs an hands, one of those gaoled had facial and upper body burns. There was a lot of work done by BTP▸ CID and SOCO matching DNA, fingerprints, and other physical evidence that allowed items that were recovered to be place from the scene of the crime |
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Starship just experienced what we call a rapid unscheduled disassembly, or a RUD, during ascent,”
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« Reply #144 on: August 20, 2011, 08:11:00 » |
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Also signed - as an employee of a telecommunications company I have at least two good reasons for supporting this initiative.
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« Reply #145 on: August 21, 2011, 00:45:02 » |
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Sorry to be pedantic - but it is something that always annoys me. Why does the BTP▸ report say "fatally electrocuted"? It is tortology. If you are electrocuted you are dead. You can have an electric shock and survive - you cannot survive an electrocution. That said I support the petition.
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« Reply #146 on: August 21, 2011, 00:51:55 » |
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"A clear conscience laughs at a false accusation."
"Treat everyone the same until you find out they're an idiot."
"Moral indignation is a technique used to endow the idiot with dignity."
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« Reply #147 on: August 21, 2011, 00:52:36 » |
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I spellchecked that too because it didnt look right!
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« Reply #148 on: August 21, 2011, 08:07:57 » |
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An electric shock can be fatal but it is not necessarily electrocution; a victim can die from the resultant burns or the physical shock. Anywho the villain that perished in the incident in London did die of electrocution current passing through the heart and other vital organs; it only take about 15mA to cause the heart the fibrillate
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Starship just experienced what we call a rapid unscheduled disassembly, or a RUD, during ascent,”
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