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Author Topic: Is there a case for a flagship service / a premium route?  (Read 11125 times)
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« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2007, 17:15:06 »

It better of been resolved, as 1 goes through there M-F at about 20.50 working 5A85 20.35 Westbury-SPM (St Philip's Marsh (Bristol depot))!


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Also is there ECS (Empty Coaching Stock) workings for the 0617 Westbury to Paddington and the 0629 Frome to Paddington from SPM. Can you quote a passenger service which operates with 180's on the Limpley Stoke line.

I belive the Frome comes from SPM BUT the Westbury comes ECS  from








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« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2007, 19:23:50 »

I mocked up a Timetable in excel last night
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« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2007, 19:42:24 »

There are no passenger runs on 180s between Westury and Bath Spa,  I presume thats where Limpley stoke is!
Yep, the area just a little north of Freshford!

I'm very happy to learn that there are empty workings, though; for this means that the trains are allowed through that way - unlike the Thames Turbos.

A high quality service - Portsmouth to Swansea with fast, modern trains - does look more and more sensible to me. And (note to cash-hungry operator  Wink ) people would be prepared to pay for a first class service, and would fill your seats.  What about it?
I would DEFINITELY be willing to pay more. I was at Bristol TM(resolve) yesterday watching people squeeze into a packed 2-car 158 Portsmouth-Cardiff service, and I'd hate to be one of them. Just imagine how many more could be travelling - and paying - on this route with better trains?

Ironically though, the service I was boarding was 2 x class 143s (Cardiff to Westbury) and that journey was very nice!
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« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2007, 21:41:44 »

I would DEFINITELY be willing to pay more. I was at Bristol TM(resolve) yesterday watching people squeeze into a packed 2-car 158 Portsmouth-Cardiff service, and I'd hate to be one of them. Just imagine how many more could be travelling - and paying - on this route with better trains?
And to think that this time last year that would have been a three car train. How sad and how far this service has regressed.
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« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2007, 10:47:12 »

I mocked up a Timetable in excel last night

Could you possibly send a copy of this to me at canber@hotmail.co.uk

It would greatly help me with some research I am conducting.
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« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2007, 19:40:35 »

I know it would probaly be a backward step but with all the Mk3's which were displaced by the Virgin Pendolinos and are currently stored in sidings her and there, hows about FGW (First Great Western) hiring in a few sets of 5 of these coaches and 67's from EWS (English Welsh & Scottish Railway Ltd, now known as DB Schenker Rail (UK (United Kingdom))) (now EWS have sorted out their paperwork) and operating the Pompey - Cardiffs as top and tailed services. This would release some 158's to be deployed elsewhere which would render the requirement for the 142's a non-starter.
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« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2007, 20:23:12 »

sounds like a plan, but anything that envolves investment by FGW (First Great Western) seems to be a non starter...
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« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2007, 21:08:13 »

Loco hauled stock isn't desireable though.

Its not standard in the unit fleet and it would require driver training, also checking 67s can run the whole route.
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« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2007, 21:20:30 »

I know it would probaly be a backward step but with all the Mk3's which were displaced by the Virgin Pendolinos and are currently stored in sidings her and there, hows about FGW (First Great Western) hiring in a few sets of 5 of these coaches and 67's from EWS (English Welsh & Scottish Railway Ltd, now known as DB Schenker Rail (UK (United Kingdom))) (now EWS have sorted out their paperwork) and operating the Pompey - Cardiffs as top and tailed services. This would release some 158's to be deployed elsewhere which would render the requirement for the 142's a non-starter.
Great idea but there is a problem. Suddenly the rail industry has finally woken up to the fact that MK3 coaching stock is rather good after all and so everyone wants them again, either for conversion into MK3 HST (High Speed Train) coaches in the case of Grand Central and Arriva XC (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) or to be hauled by Class 90s in the case of East Coast. This says alot about the standard of modern rolling stock that after a number of years stored at MOD sidings MK3s have suddenly come back in demand. In my opinion they are without doubt the best rolling stock going either as HSTs or loco hauled.

I bet the rail companies wished that the ROSCOS hadn't sold the MK3s that now belong to charter train companies as they could be very useful. I remember a few years back one of the ROSCOS flexing their muscles by actually breaking one up under the guise of use it or lose it.

I think refurbed MK2s could still have a future for this line, they worked well enough on the Bristol-Weymouth line when they actually ran.
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« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2007, 21:45:33 »

Loco hauled stock isn't desireable though.
If it was a case of running a regular reliable service or providing road replacement transport, I know which one I would ridicule the TOC (Train Operating Company) for.
Its not standard in the unit fleet and it would require driver training, also checking 67s can run the whole route.
Agreed but I think 67's are cleared for the whole route, the only doubt is the section PMS - PMH but 47's run to PMH on charters. Use EWS (English Welsh & Scottish Railway Ltd, now known as DB Schenker Rail (UK (United Kingdom))) drivers and free up FGW (First Great Western) drivers to cover the driver shortages and siccies.

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« Reply #25 on: October 15, 2007, 21:55:17 »

With the amount FGW (First Great Western) pay to the DfT» (Department for Transport - about) I can't see them buying it as it would be very expensive. Don't get me wrong it would be good for capacity but journey times would be slower and it makes more sence for us to keep units. Just with more of them and decent ones, not the crap that the North doesn't want.
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« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2007, 22:07:35 »

With the amount FGW (First Great Western) pay to the DfT» (Department for Transport - about) I can't see them buying it as it would be very expensive. Don't get me wrong it would be good for capacity but journey times would be slower and it makes more sence for us to keep units. Just with more of them and decent ones, not the crap that the North doesn't want.

Would the journey times be much slower though, I mean, there's plenty of slack on some ofthe journey, and not enough on other parts!
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« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2007, 10:04:58 »

With the amount FGW (First Great Western) pay to the DfT» (Department for Transport - about) I can't see them buying it as it would be very expensive. Don't get me wrong it would be good for capacity but journey times would be slower and it makes more sence for us to keep units. Just with more of them and decent ones, not the crap that the North doesn't want.

I mocked up a Timetable in excel last night

Could you possibly send a copy of this to me at canber@hotmail.co.uk

It would greatly help me with some research I am conducting.

I would still be genuinely interested to read your proposals on this , Liam. Confidentiality guaranteed , if thats what you are worried about.
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