No Standard Class standees in First Class vestibules.

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[readytostart]

Yes but just keeping Coach G & H Locked will soon stop all the Standing in First Class.

Do FGW^▸ (First Great Western) HSTs^▸ (High Speed Train) have selective door operation? If not I guess keeping coaches locked OOU^▸ (out of use) with people in them is not permitted>

[ChrisB]

Yes they do...

[Btline]

How would locking G&H help? Apologies if it is blindingly obvious!

[Brucey]

How would locking G&H help? Apologies if it is blindingly obvious!

I've been wondering the same whilst reading this thread...

[Ollie]

Keeps majority of Reading passengers out of first class - but wouldn't help massively cos you would probably still get people stand between F and G.

Plus people that will stand in G and H anyway and probably pull the passcomm or something when they can't get off.

It just needs better enforcement at Paddington - but no real easy way to do it.

[vacman]

Well having a Train Pick Up (or Set down) only being different is Just Dumb Stupid but then we are talking First Group here.

Anyway Last Time I boarded the Down Hind it was at Reading and on FRIDAY 2nd September and I had to wait for Dozens to Get OFF!

its pick up only on a friday because there is capacity in the rest of the week.

[Btline]

What about First Class passengers? Surely any "Reading rebels" will board  in A - E? Sorry - still confused.

[Ollie]

Vestibules tend to get well used in First Class if train is correct formation, as it's the perfect position on Platform 4 for either getting out the station or going to Platforms 4a or 4b.

That's why this topic exists - first class customers don't like it and at times FGW^▸ (First Great Western) will enforce it - but it's not always possible as sometimes the train really is just too busy.

[Btline]

Cheers - makes sense now I come to think of it. Hmmm, not sure it's a good plan, as boarding 1st Reading commuters would be confused and angered at boarding at the buffet, and the train could get delayed.

[matt473]

Maybe it's time that RPI^▸ (Revenue Protection Inspector (or Retail Price Index, depending on the context))'s stood at the platform in Reading and check random people when it is pick up only and start handing out penalty fares. This would soon enough sort the problem once word gets around and people repatedly get stung

[Brucey]

Can you get PFed for alighting from a pick-up only?  I would imagine PFs^▸ (Penalty Fare) can only be issued if the person were to remain on the train.

[JayMac]

I think there are no hard and fast rules for chinging someone who alights from a pick up only service. Particularly at Reading, as there doesn't seem to be consistent information in the public domain as to whether it is, or is not, permitted on certain services from Paddington.

[Maxwell P]

With regard to not opening coaches via SDO^▸ (Selective Door Opening). I find that passengers will push doors repeatedly, despite clear and concise announcements telling them that Doors XX etc will not be opened at xxxxx.  Apart from the issues mentioned above, an added risk of door on the catch.