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« Reply #75 on: July 20, 2010, 09:12:53 »

Sorry, Standard Quiet coach would be anything but happy!
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« Reply #76 on: July 20, 2010, 17:51:56 »

Why not? There's no passenger door at the front of coach A, so no-one would use it as a walk through to get to the front of the train.
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« Reply #77 on: July 20, 2010, 22:12:13 »

Why not? There's no passenger door at the front of coach A, so no-one would use it as a walk through to get to the front of the train.

Apart from the fact that getting on almost always involves the interior door to swish
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« Reply #78 on: July 21, 2010, 09:42:50 »

The entire coach would be full of standees to Reading (as would 1st class be now if they weren't shooed out!)
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« Reply #79 on: July 21, 2010, 11:36:02 »

Well here's a word of warning to anyone standing in the vestibules of FC(resolve) out of Paddington, a PF (Penalty Fare) for doing so is ^73.00 at twice the FDS fare and one has a feeling that now the softly softly approach hasn't worked that a few hard core commuters may well be relieved of ^73.00 for their persistence!........
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« Reply #80 on: July 21, 2010, 12:06:00 »

Only ^73.00 if first stop Reading......handful of peak HSTs (High Speed Train) are first stop Slough/Maidenhead/Twyford.
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« Reply #81 on: July 21, 2010, 12:54:27 »

in which case they have to leave the train too....
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« Reply #82 on: July 21, 2010, 22:24:56 »

Only ^73.00 if first stop Reading......handful of peak HSTs (High Speed Train) are first stop Slough/Maidenhead/Twyford.
Very true, but if its a Cornish train that is pick up only at RDG(resolve) then Pad-Nby is even more!
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« Reply #83 on: July 21, 2010, 22:27:20 »

Are there any trains left that run non-stop RDG(resolve)-EXD» (Exeter St Davids - next trains)...? A first class penalty fare to Exeter might be a bit of a deterrent  Wink
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« Reply #84 on: July 21, 2010, 22:32:56 »

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« Reply #85 on: July 22, 2010, 07:42:11 »

Are there any trains left that run non-stop RDG(resolve)-EXD» (Exeter St Davids - next trains)...? A first class penalty fare to Exeter might be a bit of a deterrent  Wink
^240 ... although the RPI (Revenue Protection Inspector (or Retail Price Index, depending on the context)) would also have to stay on the train for the whole journey, which might prove a deterrent for them to patrol this service!
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« Reply #86 on: July 22, 2010, 11:51:35 »

Are there any trains left that run non-stop RDG(resolve)-EXD» (Exeter St Davids - next trains)...? A first class penalty fare to Exeter might be a bit of a deterrent  Wink
^240 ... although the RPI (Revenue Protection Inspector (or Retail Price Index, depending on the context)) would also have to stay on the train for the whole journey, which might prove a deterrent for them to patrol this service!
staff can alight from Pick up only services provided they were booked to do so, the only reason some of the Pad-Nqy services used to pick up only at exd was for crew change over. A Pf couldn't be issued Pad-Exd though as the "next stop" is within a different PF (Penalty Fare) area (the break is between Wsb and Exd), this was at the insistence of the DFT (Department for Transport) as they thought it unfair to PF someone twice the SOS from say Truro to Padd if caught at Pad barriers, PF's are only really intended for local journeys anyway.
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« Reply #87 on: July 28, 2010, 08:33:46 »

I do think FGW (First Great Western) should serious;y consider turning all the sets round- twice last week my regular inbound train was in reverse formation- 1st class was so much more civilised, and yes, we got a trolley service.

an easy solution- 1st class passengers happy, standard class happy as well.

I agree entirely, first class at the country end would be far preferable in my view, but when FGW carried out a survey the results were otherwise.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #88 on: November 12, 2010, 20:39:26 »

In the new timetable I note that the 18-03 from Pad now stops at Reading to pick up only, every night.
In the present timetable the pick up only only restriction is Fridays only I believe.

Therefore presumably standard class ticket holders found in first can be penalty fared to Taunton, the first set down point.
That should deter them !

If however a customer has a valid ticket to Reading, how will FGW (First Great Western) stop them useing the 18-03 ?
Can the gates at Paddington be set to reject Reading tickets ?
Is  a penalty fare payable for alighting at a "set down only" stop.

EDITED for typo, I intended to refer to pick up only, as it now reads.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #89 on: November 13, 2010, 01:38:38 »

Looking at the NRCoC (National Rail Conditions of Carriage), you can be PF (Penalty Fare)'d for it.

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Restrictions apply to the use of some tickets (including those bought with a Railcard) such as the dates, days, and times when you can use them, and the trains in which they can be used.
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(b) in the case of some types of discounted tickets (as indicated in the notices and publications) the relevant parts of Condition 2 or 4 will apply.

However I doubt they would enforce it at RDG(resolve), would need a hell of a lot of staff as spotters and to 'pluck' people out.
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