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« Reply #165 on: July 28, 2011, 18:22:52 » |
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Chiltern only recently (within 12 months) finishhed their 165 refresh....
Really? I remember reading a press release some years ago celebrating the fact that Chiltern had become the first TOC▸ to refurb all its trains. Perhaps some have had a second refresh. I know A/C's been fitted for years. People always complain about A/C - it was turned down on Desiros last year. Can't please everyone. I'd rather be too cold on a hot day then be sweltering on a FGW▸ offering. I've been on many more noisy and PIS▸ broken FGW Turbos than Chiltern. Several Chiltern 168s are rattley - but I suspect that's just Bombardier for you! FGW should be wanting to spend some cash - they were warned a few years ago, and the remedial measures included refurbing the Turbos. It hasn't escaped peoples' notice that the only thing that was done for ages was the application of dynamic lines! |
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« Reply #166 on: July 28, 2011, 18:55:12 » |
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It hasn't escaped peoples' notice that the only thing that was done for ages was the application of dynamic lines!
Interesting that, because it's not actually correct. Before the Greater Western franchise started in 2006 FGW▸ had already carried out a 'light refresh' on the turbo fleet during its First Great Western Link tenure: not an extensive job, admittedly, but new seat covers, floor coverings and toilets to improve on the tired and threadbare state in which Thames handed over the units. The toilets in particular are a significant improvement on what went before. |
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« Reply #167 on: July 28, 2011, 19:13:31 » |
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True - I'd forgotten about that.
But the announcement of a proper refresh was years ago and it is still not complete, and does not include A/C!
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« Reply #168 on: July 29, 2011, 00:30:12 » |
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Several Chiltern 168s are rattley - but I suspect that's just Bombardier for you!
Horrible vibrations if you're sat under the engine as it makes the pull out tables rattle! Other than that (and the PIS▸ system), very good trains. |
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« Reply #169 on: July 29, 2011, 00:40:44 » |
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Sat under the engine? I should imagine it would be noisy and rattly there!    .... and a bit dangerous. |
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« Reply #170 on: July 29, 2011, 00:47:59 » |
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Get back into the kitchen...
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« Reply #171 on: August 09, 2011, 08:03:23 » |
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166206 out this morning on the 0634 Reading to Gatwick Airport, unrefreshed, but with the unmistakeable noise of the new air conditioning system (and extra stickers on the window to suggest keeping the windows shut).
Presumably the system has passed its trials and is now to be installed across the fleet?
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« Reply #172 on: August 09, 2011, 16:24:48 » |
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Why can't they seal the windows? Unless the stickers are huge with LARGE RED WRITING it won't work!
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« Reply #173 on: August 09, 2011, 16:31:32 » |
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Because then H&S▸ requires fresh air to be pumped at a certain force through the carriage - and rechnically, its out of serrvice if this fails.
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« Reply #174 on: August 09, 2011, 18:14:44 » |
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Ok - why not have 158 style windows.
And how do Chiltern manage?
Look - I'm sick of hearing about "unreliable AC". The fact is another TOC▸ with the same stock solved the problem. So there is no excuse for FGW▸ not to get it sorted.
Ditto with 158s.
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« Reply #175 on: August 09, 2011, 18:28:31 » |
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Ok - why not have 158 style windows.
For the umpteenth time, because 158s are always driver-guard operated so there's always someone with the requisite T-key to open them should that be necessary. At a guess I suspect that Chiltern had more money to throw at the problem, but you will notice from various comments above that it's not unanimously agreed that the Chiltern a/c is always suitable or comfortable. |
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« Reply #176 on: August 09, 2011, 19:06:10 » |
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Because then H&S▸ requires fresh air to be pumped at a certain force through the carriage - and rechnically, its out of serrvice if this fails.
Sorry I dont understand this comment. I am not aware of any such H&S requirement. |
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« Reply #177 on: August 09, 2011, 19:56:28 » |
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For the umpteenth time, because 158s are always driver-guard operated so there's always someone with the requisite T-key to open them should that be necessary.
Never heard this argument before. Doesn't buy with me - surely the driver has a key and can open the windows before service. Anyway, I only suggested it - Chiltern manage with all windows sealed! If Chiltern had the money to throw - First Group must have it. People always moan about AC temperature - e.g. SWT▸ . But at least it works. Sorry - there's no excuse. |
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« Reply #178 on: August 09, 2011, 20:59:15 » |
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What I find inexcusable is that nobody official ever seems to make any attempt to shut the windows on 166s. They enter service in the morning with windows open. Surely it should be the responsibility of staff to protect the investment in the new air conditioning system.
I'm back on 166206 tonight on the 2003 Gatwick Airport to Reading. 5 of the vents are open in a carriage with a new air conditioning system. I've shut some but not intervened at occupied seats. There has been ample opportunity for the windows to be shut during the day or even on the layover at Gatwick before departure.
Worse still, the refurbishment hasn't resolved the problem of broken catches and mangled frames that prevent the windows from being shut.
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« Reply #179 on: August 09, 2011, 22:37:56 » |
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There has been ample opportunity for the windows to be shut during the day
And ample opportunity for the first passenger afterwards to come along and open them again... |
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