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« Reply #120 on: February 15, 2011, 18:20:10 » |
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The 166's internal panel and ceilings are really grubby now, carpets and entrance mats are quite bad too
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Starship just experienced what we call a rapid unscheduled disassembly, or a RUD, during ascent,”
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« Reply #121 on: February 15, 2011, 20:34:57 » |
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The 166's internal panel and ceilings are really grubby now, carpets and entrance mats are quite bad too
Yes, the ceiling panels attract more dirt than a 165 with the air conditioning sucking in and blowing out all sorts of particles other than air over a period of time. Some of the entrance mats are totally bald and the carpets badly stained with various things. Still, by this time next year virtually all units should have been taken care of - just in time to create as good an impression as possible for the Olympics. |
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« Reply #122 on: February 15, 2011, 20:54:37 » |
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Still, by this time next year virtually all units should have been taken care of - just in time to create as good an impression as possible for the Olympics.
Cynic   ............. you mean the refresh was not done for the benefit of FGW▸ commuters  |
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« Reply #123 on: April 01, 2011, 07:06:28 » |
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And on to the 166s...
166221 is working the 0634 Reading to Gatwick Airport this morning following its refresh - this is the first one I've seen.
I can tell it isn't its first day out because the tags on the emergency window handles are only left on a handful of windows. A very big disappointment not to have seen the windows sealed.
The old wording "This train is air conditioned. Pull handles down to release window for emergency ventilation only." is now above the window but will be ignored.
Did Wabtec do anything useful when they had 166218 in Doncaster for a few months? The air seems a bit fresher this morning than usual.
Otherwise the refresh looks as expected - the new CIS▸ is fitted (although it just said "Welcome aboard this First Great Western service" this morning). Small tables remain - new carpet / seat coverings and repainted surfaces - no fabric on the side panel below the window.
Very disappointed about the windows. What would be helpful is an information panel on the bulkhead (now there isn't an Edward Pond mural) which explains why the windows should be kept shut to allow the air conditioning to work.
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« Reply #124 on: April 01, 2011, 14:46:45 » |
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166221 was refreshed and CIS▸ fitted for the official unveiling of the project with Teresa Villiers a few days ago. The Air Con mods have (as far as I know) not yet been applied to this unit. The unit sent to Doncaster has been fitted with the new Air Con system - though I presume that the silly tags will go on all refreshed sets as and when they're done.
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« Reply #125 on: April 01, 2011, 18:01:48 » |
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No April fools joke but chiltern railways class 172101 made an appearance at Reading today for test with the class 165/166 fleet.
Bit of a surprise but i suppose if Chiltern railways want to run a Milton Keynes to Reading service where these could be used on in the future then i cant really hurt to see if they will work with the class 165/166 fleet if it were to fail.
I have yet to travel on a refurbished class 166, but i have travelled on 165120 when it first re-entered service and say it looked quite good.
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« Reply #126 on: April 01, 2011, 18:17:20 » |
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I suspect they might be thinking of using on Bicester Town -> Oxford after May 22 - and want to check if an FGW▸ 16x can tow it dead?....
I know the FGW drivers can't drive the Chiltern 165s, so Chiltern have a problem storing whichever unit they do use on a Saturday night when the lines north close early.
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« Reply #127 on: April 01, 2011, 18:28:39 » |
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Travelled on 166221 tonight from Guildford to North Camp. Air con definitely not working. They need to seal up the windows permanently (think Chiltern 165s) once the mods have been done. Also either the 17:44 from Guildford was quieter than normal tonight, or are there a few more seats in lieu of luggage racks?
Does this mean that all the 165s are now done?
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« Reply #128 on: April 01, 2011, 18:37:30 » |
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I don't think they can seal the windows - HSE▸ regs require forced-air circulation if using sealed units - and unit failure occurs then should the circulation cease.
Not sure FGW▸ aircon = forced-air circulation HSE definition, nor would they want to fail a unit should the aircon fail.
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« Reply #129 on: April 01, 2011, 18:43:25 » |
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I suspect they might be thinking of using on Bicester Town -> Oxford after May 22 - and want to check if an FGW▸ 16x can tow it dead?....
I know the FGW drivers can't drive the Chiltern 165s, so Chiltern have a problem storing whichever unit they do use on a Saturday night when the lines north close early.
I thought the chiltern unit was to come down empty stock to/from Banbury and was using chiltern staff |
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« Reply #130 on: April 01, 2011, 19:00:50 » |
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It is - but it can't get back on Saturday night as the Rules of the Route close the line before the last Bicester-Oxford finishes.....
They can't put it anywhere where it might need to be moved either as FGW▸ drivers aren't signed for their 165s....
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« Reply #131 on: April 01, 2011, 19:40:56 » |
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It is - but it can't get back on Saturday night as the Rules of the Route close the line before the last Bicester-Oxford finishes.....
They can't put it anywhere where it might need to be moved either as FGW▸ drivers aren't signed for their 165s....
Thank you chris didnt know about that |
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« Reply #132 on: April 01, 2011, 20:14:22 » |
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Does this mean that all the 165s are now done?
The last one is being done right now. In the meantime, new PIS▸ fitment has recommenced with around a dozen units now fitted (all 165's apart from 166221). Still a few glitches, and some drivers have yet to be persuaded to enter the codes properly (it takes more time than the old system), but I'm confident they'll be eventually persuaded! |
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« Reply #133 on: May 21, 2011, 21:07:54 » |
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Update on refresh progress from Mark Hopwood at the CLPG» agm:
All 165s are done, as are four 166s, though personal experience this week suggests one of these is the two-car 166 that is still running around (220?). Anyone know what's going on with the centre car?
As for the old chestnut, the 166 air conditioning, experience of operating 166218 (the trial unit) has shown that a better alternator is needed to power the new kit, so all the sets will get new alternators before they are equipped with the air con system.
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« Reply #134 on: May 21, 2011, 21:24:04 » |
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Update on refresh progress from Mark Hopwood at the CLPG» agm:
All 165s are done, as are four 166s, though personal experience this week suggests one of these is the two-car 166 that is still running around (220?). Anyone know what's going on with the centre car?
As for the old chestnut, the 166 air conditioning, experience of operating 166218 (the trial unit) has shown that a better alternator is needed to power the new kit, so all the sets will get new alternators before they are equipped with the air con system.
166215 is the 2 car. Middle carriage (58615) taken out for "long term repairs" |
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