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Author Topic: Could the train manager please ask people to close the doors AND windows?  (Read 6045 times)
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« on: January 16, 2010, 23:16:23 »

I've noticed TMs(resolve) explictly asking passengers to close doors on exit (in order to speed up departure).  Wouldn't it be nice if they added '...and please close the window' afterwards?  I'm tired of getting up and shutting them to keep the -30 wind out between stops  Angry
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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2010, 23:41:32 »

I'm not sure what type of train you're talking about here? I'm guessing HSTs (High Speed Train) if there is a train manager.. But surely if it's an HST you don't notice if they are open or not if you're in the main carriage which are protected by internal dorrs?  It did make me think though, having got an HST to Slough from Paddington earlier, and having had to lean out the window to open the door (I'm never quite tall enough to do this in a ladylike fashion), I certainly didn't turn round after I'd got off the train, whilst the door was open and lots of people were getting off behind me, to shut the window... sorry Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2010, 00:00:04 »

Agreed, Jo - HSTs (High Speed Train).  The problem is, their automatic vestibule doors do seem to have a mind of their own - many of them opening and closing, apparently at random, or even just staying open, to let the recent Arctic air into the carriages!  Roll Eyes

I therefore make a point of closing the droplight, after I've leaned out to open the carriage door whenever alighting from an HST - but many other passengers don't, I've noticed.

Good point, mukaumedia!  Wink
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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2010, 00:01:58 »

You do notice the temperature change if you are sat near the vestibule ends on an HST (High Speed Train). Every time someone walks through the carriage or at stations you can get an icy chill!!! If I'm in standard and walk to the buffet I make a point of closing windows.
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« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2010, 00:02:45 »

FGW (First Great Western) staff are encouraged to close windows. It makes a noticable difference to fuel consumption by reducing drag, as well as helping the air con.
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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2010, 00:11:22 »

Agreed, Jo - HSTs (High Speed Train).  The problem is, their automatic vestibule doors do seem to have a mind of their own - many of them opening and closing, apparently at random, or even just staying open, to let the recent Arctic air into the carriages!  Roll Eyes

I therefore make a point of closing the droplight, after I've leaned out to open the carriage door whenever alighting from an HST - but many other passengers don't, I've noticed.

Good point, mukaumedia!  Wink

I will remember that in future, although is it the job of the first person off the carriage (turning round to shut the window might cause a people pile up at Slough it's that busy), or is it the job of the last person off (which makes more sense to me), or in fact someone in between? Oh and wouldn't it be nice to have nice electric doors that didn't rely on opening from outside?  Smiley Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2010, 00:19:57 »

FGW (First Great Western) staff are encouraged to close windows. It makes a noticable difference to fuel consumption by reducing drag, as well as helping the air con.

I've been led to believe (and experienced on packed trains) in the past that air con is for inside the carriages only, but not the door area.. So while I agree it will reduce drag (and if I'm lucky enough to be allowed on an HST (High Speed Train) like I was today I always close the open windows), I'm not sure how much it would affect the aircon inside the carriages, even if the internal open doors do open from time to time... Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2010, 00:22:00 »

It should be the instinctive responsibility of the last person to leave through that door - if the first, or indeed any subsequent, passenger hasn't done so!  Grin

And don't start on the subject of electric doors for HSTs (High Speed Train)Roll Eyes Shocked Grin

FGW (First Great Western) staff are encouraged to close windows. It makes a noticable difference to fuel consumption by reducing drag, as well as helping the air con.

Indeed: I believe Andrew Griffiths was involved in formulating a 'green policy' for FGW, which included issues such as affixing stickers to carriage doors, encouraging passengers to close all such windows whenever possible.

It really does make a difference: did any of you leave your windows at home wide open over the past few days??  Shocked Roll Eyes

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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2010, 01:48:02 »

Short answer - of course they could ask passengers to close both doors and windows. But would the passengers listen? Unlikely, given that you have to open the window to open the door* and it therefore requires a bit of effort to close the window and slam the door! Wink

*Much to the chagrin of certain posters on this site, it must be said.
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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2010, 10:20:22 »

As Chris has mentioned the vestibule sliding doors do have a mind of there own ...there is a pressure mat in the floor on either side which when stood on should open the door, problem is a few passengers cant grasp this simple concept, and will stay put on the mat watching the door open and close, or stand off of it waiting for it to open.
Problems occour with door runners and air control mechanics occasionally which mean the door needs to be isolated, apparently to fix these doors is quite a major strip down job, something that needs to be done at major exam not at daily service. Also the temperature of the coaches is pre set at either summer or winter levels there is no thermostat to adjust , all the T/M can do is switch it on or off.
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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2010, 10:31:48 »

Agreed, Jo - HSTs (High Speed Train).  The problem is, their automatic vestibule doors do seem to have a mind of their own - many of them opening and closing, apparently at random, or even just staying open, to let the recent Arctic air into the carriages!  Roll Eyes

I therefore make a point of closing the droplight, after I've leaned out to open the carriage door whenever alighting from an HST - but many other passengers don't, I've noticed.

Good point, mukaumedia!  Wink

I will remember that in future, although is it the job of the first person off the carriage (turning round to shut the window might cause a people pile up at Slough it's that busy), or is it the job of the last person off (which makes more sense to me), or in fact someone in between? Oh and wouldn't it be nice to have nice electric doors that didn't rely on opening from outside?  Smiley Smiley

In a lot of cases, it should be the job of the last person boarding a HST to close the door (properly) and raise the droplight. Only close the door on alighting if last off and no-one is waiting to get on. Of course if you are public spirited you can raise droplights and close doors as you walk up the platform to an exit. Particularly helpful when the TM(resolve) has to do his own despatching. Just make sure no-one is still attemping to alight!!
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« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2010, 10:46:39 »

If I'm walking up the train I will close any open windows in winter, the noise reduction is often White significant particularly in the south west where people dump their luggage on the pressure pads. Likewise when opening the door I will try and shut the window.

Makes the on train environment much more pleasent.
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« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2010, 18:36:18 »

FGW (First Great Western) staff are encouraged to close windows. It makes a noticable difference to fuel consumption by reducing drag, as well as helping the air con.

I've been led to believe (and experienced on packed trains) in the past that air con is for inside the carriages only, but not the door area.. So while I agree it will reduce drag (and if I'm lucky enough to be allowed on an HST (High Speed Train) like I was today I always close the open windows), I'm not sure how much it would affect the aircon inside the carriages, even if the internal open doors do open from time to time... Smiley

it makes a massive difference to the HVAC system.

if the windows are open during winter when internal doors are opened it then cools down the inside of carriage thus making the heaters work harder,use more juice and put more load on alternator and engine and in turn use more fuel.
same goes for the summer when air con is running letting hot air in carriage means A/C has to work harder to try and achieve the optimum temp.
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« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2010, 19:52:08 »

As mentioned above, having the Drop light windows open does increase Fuel Consumption due to Drag, Hence the little "green" stickers on the inside of the doors asking you to make a small difference to the environment and close the windows!

But also, since FGW (First Great Western) changed the design of the Vestibule sliding doors to include the pull out glass/perspex with pull tab in to corner, to aid emergency exit.  With these the ventilation louvres are much wider than the old diagonal strips and on entering a tunnel with said windows open, the air flow through the carriage is quite noticeable!
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« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2010, 20:01:17 »

The problem you have with expecting people to close windows is that when you get on the train yout first instinct is to try and find a seat, not to close a window.
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