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« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2010, 17:27:53 » |
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Simple way to solve this would be to give serving service personnel on duty or on the way to duty free travel as happens in other countries. I'll leave the bean counters work out who should pay, if anyone.
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« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2010, 01:02:47 » |
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Could there be an element of staff only seeing MOD warrents on certain routes? maybe the EMT» guard had not seen one before and formed the opinion that there was something fishy about it (a deliberate attempt to aviod a fare) rather than a genuine mistake more properly dealt with in the circumstances by an unpaid fare notice.
I assume that an unpaid fare notice doesn't earn any commission whereas selling ^150 of new fares is worth about ^14 to the Guard?
UFN‡ do not earn commision... but ^150 certainly does not earn a Guard ^14! |
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« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2010, 09:07:32 » |
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Could there be an element of staff only seeing MOD warrents on certain routes? maybe the EMT» guard had not seen one before and formed the opinion that there was something fishy about it (a deliberate attempt to aviod a fare) rather than a genuine mistake more properly dealt with in the circumstances by an unpaid fare notice.
I assume that an unpaid fare notice doesn't earn any commission whereas selling ^150 of new fares is worth about ^14 to the Guard?
UFN‡ do not earn commision... but ^150 certainly does not earn a Guard ^14! My mistake. I got ^14 from approx 9% of ^150 which I thought was the commission rate. (I now realise that that is the percentage that the TOC▸ gets before the rest is divied up by ORCATS▸ ). What kind of commision do guards get? Are you all on the same rate? |
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« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2010, 09:40:41 » |
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Could there be an element of staff only seeing MOD warrents on certain routes? maybe the EMT» guard had not seen one before and formed the opinion that there was something fishy about it (a deliberate attempt to aviod a fare) rather than a genuine mistake more properly dealt with in the circumstances by an unpaid fare notice.
Could well be: I travelled to Germany about 5/6 years ago with an RN Captain, I was amazed at the chaos caused at Gatwick when he produced his NATO Travel Order ! Eventually BA» did find someone who said it was a legal document. |
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« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2010, 18:03:24 » |
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if it is more convenient for you to get home from where you are, then it is at your own expense.
Surely that'd be rare, not many people can magic their car from one airport car park to another!  Well I was asuming that at least some people use a train to get to the airport! |
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« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2010, 18:14:01 » |
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Why? There is NO way I'd get the train to the airport!
Even if Chiltern served an airport, I would not risk it lest a tree fell on the line, or vandals "zapped" a signal box.
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« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2010, 18:33:26 » |
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Trying to take an impartial view, as I believe the press (perhaps) in some cases exploit what may have been a minor incident.
However, I believe East Midlands are a Stagecoach company.
I have seen some similar problems with another stagecoach company not too far from us.
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« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2010, 19:01:27 » |
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Why? There is NO way I'd get the train to the airport!
Even if Chiltern served an airport, I would not risk it lest a tree fell on the line, or vandals "zapped" a signal box.
Do you teleport to the airport then? A motorway accident can spell the end to a holiday... |
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« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2010, 19:15:22 » |
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Do you teleport to the airport then? A motorway accident can spell the end to a holiday...
I fail to see your point. ANY accident (car or rail) is a lot less likely than the trains getting screwed up. And don't forget that the plane could crash, the bus from the plane to the terminal at the foreign airport could blow up etc..... Nothings going to change, if I drive, there is a v high chance I'll get to the airport on time. |
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« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2010, 19:21:19 » |
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The main point that has been missed is that the warrants should have been exchanged BEFORE boarding the train! I'm not sure if EMT» guards get commission but west guards on FGW▸ are entitled to commission on each Unpaid fare noticed issued.
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« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2010, 20:34:55 » |
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The warrants couldn't be exchanged before boarding, it was long past the ticket office normal closing time.
Paul
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« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2010, 20:42:34 » |
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Simple way to solve this would be to give serving service personnel on duty or on the way to duty free travel as happens in other countries. I'll leave the bean counters work out who should pay, if anyone.
Totally unworkable. If you are suggesting free travel on presentation of some sort of offiicial ID, how does the railway differentiate between duty travel, and weekend travel, or daily travel to work? Service personnel do get free travel when travelling to new assignments, or duty deployments. If the mode of transport is a train, it's done with a rail warrant, which is where we came in. They had a warrant, but it would have been addressed to Swindon or Oxford as origin, (depending where the RAF▸ bus normally takes incoming personnel). And IIRC▸ the small print on an MOD warrant makes it pretty clear it isn't transferable, alterable, valid on different routes etc etc. But they can be exchanged on a train when tickets are otherwise available onboard. Paul |
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« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2010, 21:50:31 » |
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As much as i'm not into the whole gung ho patriotism of the forces and quite frankly would become a rememberence protester if I happened to live in Wooton Basset I do think maybe just maybe the forces should get free travel on buses and trains.
After all, they are mentally disabled enough to risk their lived for either (1) the adrenaline rush of battle (2) some sort of bizarre belief the war is anything other than oil control (3) they are actually loyal to the gubbermint.
But really, the way we treat our troops is a bit harsh compared to some countries - it really wouldnt be that much of a dip in the profits to just let em travel for free.
But note: I would never want to go the way of the US! I was chastized last year. My flight to Miami had some service personal in combats on. By the time the captain had finished announcing their presence and wanted everyone to wish them godspeed, all I could do was mutter "for gods sake pass me the sick bucket". The person next to me was not impressed.
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Ditched former sig - now I need to think of something amusing - brain hurts -I'll steal from the master himself - Einstein:
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
"Gravitation is not responsible for people falling in love"
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« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2010, 01:45:59 » |
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The main point that has been missed is that the warrants should have been exchanged BEFORE boarding the train! I'm not sure if EMT» guards get commission but west guards on FGW▸ are entitled to commission on each Unpaid fare noticed issued.
That's probably why I haven't been issued with one then  |
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