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« Reply #225 on: December 01, 2010, 19:19:19 »

Oh you never know, he might have been talking about Melksham....

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« Reply #226 on: December 01, 2010, 21:25:57 »

Overheard Mark Hopwood on the phone this morning (sat nearly opposite him) getting a little bit irate with a control room somewhere- whether it was his own or Network Rail's I don't know.

Strictly speaking, it's the same control room - but with different teams (hopefully working together!)  Roll Eyes

Comments along the lines of "well why can't we get a second train per hour down there?"

Oh you never know, he might have been talking about Melksham...

Nice one, Phil!  Wink Cheesy Grin
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« Reply #227 on: December 02, 2010, 01:26:49 »

Weather radar at 0045 on Thursday morning looks worrying...

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« Reply #228 on: December 02, 2010, 02:13:08 »

nope - portishead is stil spared
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« Reply #229 on: December 02, 2010, 08:53:33 »

Maybe this should be in 'The Lighter Side'...

On the BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) R4 Today programme this morning short interviews were conducted with some members of the (supposed to be) travelling public on the subject of travel disruption. One of the responses was 'it (the weather) is not that bad. The Tube is OK, so why can they not keep the trains running?'.

Probably not scheduled for an appearance on Mastermind any time soon.
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« Reply #230 on: December 02, 2010, 09:57:20 »

Latest update for our region appears to be mainly problematic around Gatwick Airport again
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Train services between Guildford and Gatwick Airport have been suspended due to poor weather conditions. Gatwick Airport will not be re-opening for flights until at least 06:00 Friday 3rd December

It is not possible at present to operate road transport between Guildford and Gatwick Airport due to poor road condtions. A reduced train service will operate between Reading and Guildford.
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Services are being severely disrupted in the Worcestershire area. Services between Worcester and  Oxford and between Worcester and Cheltenham are subject to delay, alteration, and cancelation. It is not possible at present to operate road transport between in the Malverns and Cotswold areas due to poor road condtions..

Particularly bad for Southern trains.  All their services were suspended until about 5 minutes ago, when they started operating a half hourly service between London Bridge and East Croydon.
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« Reply #231 on: December 02, 2010, 10:03:58 »

I want snow - there is snow at the old house - waaaah!
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« Reply #232 on: December 02, 2010, 10:30:46 »

Maybe this should be in 'The Lighter Side'...

On the BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) R4 Today programme this morning short interviews were conducted with some members of the (supposed to be) travelling public on the subject of travel disruption. One of the responses was 'it (the weather) is not that bad. The Tube is OK, so why can they not keep the trains running?'.

Probably not scheduled for an appearance on Mastermind any time soon.

There were also helpful comments about how much better prepared they are in Canada and Sweden... well I think we'd expect they would be!

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« Reply #233 on: December 02, 2010, 10:39:38 »

But on the lighter side they quoted a Greman headline. To the effect

"Berlin Snowbound"

Hope they clear it by February the 7th.
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« Reply #234 on: December 02, 2010, 13:21:22 »

Trains running through Southampton albeit with delays, despite 4 - 7 inches in places
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« Reply #235 on: December 02, 2010, 22:26:57 »

Having partly read up, partly visited and enquired, of the Countries (like Canada, Sweden, Germany etc) that are said to cope so well with snow, I conclude that they all generally have similar problems to us with snow and do not get main roads and railways clear (like us) for 12/18 hours after snow  ceases to fall.

The difference is that they expect snow and winter to be a problem, we think we should be exempt.

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« Reply #236 on: December 03, 2010, 01:09:57 »

Sorry, but having lived in Norway through a winter, I can assure you that they get things clear long before that unless there is a huge amount of snow in a very short period. And even in those conditions, there would be hell to pay if it did take 18 hours to get things moving again.

In January last year, after some of the heaviest snow around Oslo for many years, the airport at Gardermoen was only shut for five hours, and that was exceptional. They take on 130 extra staff every winter for snow and ice clearing (which does not include the plane deicing crews) and operate a one-hour cycle when snow is falling to plough and salt both of the runways and all the taxiways, which is repeated hour after hour as long as required. From the opening of Gardermoen in autumn 1998 until February 2008 they never closed because of snow (though planes might be told to go round again while they finish ploughing) and only got caught out in 2008 because of a big dump (6in falling in just two hours) coinciding with two snowblowers being sidelined needing urgent repairs. So they bought two extra snowblowers just to be on the safe side.

The metro, railway and roads around Oslo struggled for periods in january last year as well, but nowhere near 12 hours or more. And in normal snowfall conditions there, the idea that major roads would be blocked or trains grind to a halt for any extended period simply wouldn't arise - in large part because they are tooled up to deal with it, or try to design out snow-related problems, such as providing a third rail electric supply for the metro with the third rail elevated, so it's out of the snow (unless you get a huge dump) which is also bottom contact, not top contact like we use south of the Thames and on the Tube, and with a snow cover over it as well. I was there in what was a pretty average winter and the only delays I ever suffered on the metro were down to train faults and a major power supply failure one evening - never the weather.

I've just been looking at some of the norwegian news websites and there are one or two tart remarks from Norwegians stuck at Gatwick about the apparent inability to deal with the snow there - one reckoned a Norwegian airport would be back open in half-an-hour...
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« Reply #237 on: December 03, 2010, 09:17:12 »

Sweden:
http://www.thelocal.se/30572/20101202/

Poland:
http://www.poland.pl/news/article,Big_Delays_in_Train_Traffic,id,445332.htm

France:
http://www.france24.com/en/20101202-france-snow-weather-europe-travel-updates-rail-air

Germany:
http://www.thelocal.de/national/20101202-31547.html

Admittedly I couldn't find any problems in Norway, but then onthecushions didn't mention there specifically.



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« Reply #238 on: December 03, 2010, 15:36:37 »

A nice picture from the BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page). Somewhere in Surrey apparently.  Smiley

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« Reply #239 on: December 03, 2010, 16:47:19 »

I travelled from not very snowy Bristol to very snowy Portsmouth today.

Journey was fine - 8 minutes late on arrival into Portsmouth.  Slowed down quite a bit whilst passing through Dean and Dunbridge.

No EMUs (Electric Multiple Unit) appeared to be running round Southampton/Fareham.  SWT (South West Trains) were offering an hourly service between SOU and PMH - I believe this was run by a DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit).  No Southern services on the West Coastway between Southampton and Chichester.
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