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« Reply #60 on: April 07, 2010, 17:55:57 »

Will this new 1733 Pad - Oxf be stopping between Paddington and Reading? As otherwise it will delay the Paignton service following behind.
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« Reply #61 on: April 07, 2010, 22:41:28 »

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It's not quite as simple as withdrawal of the 1833. This is part of a package which whilst releasing a unit for Refresh cover in summer also provides a number of other changes. Indeed the headline message is that if any train is withdrawn then in many respects it can be argued that it is a mix of the 1833 Mains and the 1842 Relief Line departure which due to its speed is lightly used

A summary of some of the changes:
^     To improve fast services to Slough and Twyford and better match capacity to demand changes are made to Paddington peak services including:
^     1736 to Oxford is retimed to depart 1733 being formed of an HST (High Speed Train) vice Turbo and ceases to call Radley which is instead served by an additional call at 1803 in the 1627 to Oxford giving a more consistently ^ hourly service instead of the previously bunched pattern
^     1833 to Oxford is withdrawn. Passengers for local stations beyond Reading carried by extending 1815 Paddington ^ Reading to Oxford
^     1848 to Cheltenham calls additionally at Twyford
^     1812 to Henley is formed with 1 x Turbo unit vice 2 x Turbo unit whilst the 1842 to Bourne End is strengthened to be a 5 car whilst retimed to depart 1836 and be accelerated to run over the mains (to detach rear 2 cars at Maidenhead during extended dwell)
^     1742 to Bourne End is accelerated, arriving 4min earlier than currently with a package of minor branch retimings made until mid-evening

I think I'd prefer them removing the 18.42 then..  I really don't need to be home 14 minutes late every day.. My poor children get their dinner late enough as it is without this added daily unwanted delay.. Angry
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« Reply #62 on: April 08, 2010, 11:17:29 »

Will this new 1733 Pad - Oxf be stopping between Paddington and Reading? As otherwise it will delay the Paignton service following behind.
I think 1733 Padd-Oxford will go DM to Maidenhead East then cross over to the DR for its Maidenhead stop (like 1833 Padd-Oxford does now), then stays on DR all the way to Didcot.  So the 1736 Padd-Exeter (or wherever) gets a clear run on DM to Reading.
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« Reply #63 on: April 09, 2010, 11:50:05 »

In a classic case of internal spin, the changes for Maidenhead in the summer timetable are given a small article in First Great Western's 'Westernlines' internal newsletter with the headline 'Maidenhead services get a boost as part of our May Timetable change' - buried deep within is a mention of the 18:33's withdrawal, but otherwise it's all sweetness-and-light for Maidenhead commuters from May.  Apparently.
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« Reply #64 on: April 09, 2010, 22:09:05 »

Marvellous.. The best bit is that I think many people don't realise it's being withdrawn.. I know people I've mentioned it to who currently get the train and they don't know. So there will be a lot of unhappy people on the first day of the new timetable if that is the case..

Just when FGW (First Great Western) seemed to be getting it just about right.. They mess it up again..
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« Reply #65 on: April 10, 2010, 01:27:50 »

Just when FGW (First Great Western) seemed to be getting it just about right.. They mess it up again..

At least we can't accuse FGW's MD of ensuring he never has to endure any hassles, as Mark Hopwood is often on the 18:33 from Paddington travelling home to Pangbourne.
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« Reply #66 on: April 10, 2010, 12:31:18 »

Just when FGW (First Great Western) seemed to be getting it just about right.. They mess it up again..

At least we can't accuse FGW's MD of ensuring he never has to endure any hassles, as Mark Hopwood is often on the 18:33 from Paddington travelling home to Pangbourne.

Maybe he doesn't know yet either  Grin Cheesy
I wonder what train he'll end up getting instead..
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« Reply #67 on: May 18, 2010, 22:30:49 »

Only 3 more days of this train running left to go... I still haven't quite worked out which alternative train I'd like to be squashed on to next week.. Decisions decisions  Grin Cheesy Huh
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« Reply #68 on: May 21, 2010, 22:24:25 »

And i got this train for the last time today.. Several hundred (my estimate) people got off as they usually do.. This train is no more.. Several hundred people need to find a new train (and that's just the Maidenhead passengers)... Thanks to FGW (First Great Western)'s new timetable...
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« Reply #69 on: May 22, 2010, 00:18:21 »

May have been even more popular than usual on its final day, as the 17.50 to Worcester was shown on the website as being Turbo-ised, with the Maidenhead stop dropped to avoid an almighty crush.
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« Reply #70 on: May 22, 2010, 01:37:12 »

Well yes.. it didn't seem more busy than usual but then it was Friday which is usually a bit quieter and also it usually takes SO long for everyone to get off the train (the train we no longer need remember  Wink) as there are so many people. that I'd left way before everyone was off...
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« Reply #71 on: May 24, 2010, 20:27:41 »

Well.. the first day didn't go at all well..

The train had three platforms in the end (one being platform 13) so there was a lot of trekking around Paddington by several hundred people before they finally settled on platform 11 being the one to use..

And, as I knew FGW (First Great Western) would, they had put on one of the lovely sauna air conditioned carriages.. It was, as I expected, very overcrowded.. Very very hot and uncomfortable, sweat was literally pouring off of people.. Hundreds of very hot people got off at Maidenhead at 7.12pm (8 minutes late and 20 minutes later than the 18.33 would have got us back)

Did anyone get the 18.18 today as that's  the other train that will gain extra people from this fiasco and that train is already very very busy..?

Thanks FGW (not).. I will be complaining...but only anticipate a(nother) standard reply
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« Reply #72 on: May 25, 2010, 13:46:42 »

Jo, I did think of you yesterday, when I noticed it was Platform 13 (knowing how much we all love that platform) then seeing it change to 11.

I did think FGW (First Great Western) weren't doing their best to make it as stress free as possible particularly with the weather as it was yesterday.

I'm sure there are perfectly good operational reasons why the 18.33 was withdrawn but it does make you wonder how the logic worked on this particular decision.

Hopefully with the government cut backs our new Home Secretary will need to use the train more often and have to experience the "Bourne End Sauna Express"

As ever, there are winners and losers - just to report as a Twyford user (with no smugness intended), the 18.47 Cheltenham train was a marginally better experience than the 18.33.  Yes, we arrive a few minutes later than we used to but there were still some seats available which was rarely the case before.





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« Reply #73 on: May 25, 2010, 19:41:38 »

Today I left work before I should to test out the 18.18.. From what I can remember it used to be 3 carriages and today it was 6 which was sensible. It was still very overcrowded though and not pleasant.. There are just too few fast trains at that time of day now serving Maidenhead (and I'm sure other places).

And I agree.. there may be reasons why the train has been withdrawn, but I've asked twice now and it's been ignored both times (I will post my (very speedy) reply from FGW (First Great Western) seperately in a minute).. I have asked them a third time now..
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« Reply #74 on: May 25, 2010, 19:44:26 »

And here is my reply from FGW (First Great Western) to my complaint.. It's a mixture of a standard email with the odd incorrect fact thrown in (the bit about re-timing the 18.33.. if only! Grin) and some apologising..

"Dear Ms Hoare

Thank you for your email of 24 May 2010. I was sorry to learn how unhappy you are with the new timetable, and the re-timing of our former 18:33 service.

Planning our services is always a difficult balancing act, as we are trying to satisfy as many customers as we can. Our timetable is the best fit we can achieve between improved journey times and opportunities, and a schedule that reflects changing customer demands. This means that timetable planning decisions are inevitably a compromise and at each review we examine a wide range of factors such as:

^ The number of passengers and journey patterns
^ The types of customer on different routes - business, commuters and leisure
^ Customer feedback

I also realise that you hold concerns about how busy our 18:36 service now gets in view of the new schedule. I am genuinely sorry that you've had such an unpleasant journey, as I realise how uncomfortable such busy conditions can be, particular on hot days.

We try very hard to provide the best service possible and constantly monitor our services to identify areas where improvements can be made, this includes reviewing our timetable and looking at the type of trains we use on each journey. We also use customer feedback to help us identify how we can do better and I have registered your comments as part of this. It is however inevitable that some services will be more popular than others and can become crowded.

Running more trains may seem like an obvious solution but there is a limit to the number of trains we can run at peak time. The track between Reading and London Paddington is operating at its full capacity and there are no additional timetable paths available to us. The Department for Transport is now working with Network Rail on the long-term plan to expand Reading station, which will give the extra capacity needed to run more trains at peak time. For now though this is our position and I understand how frustrated you must be.

The schedules we decide on meet the needs of as many customers as possible, but we do know we can never satisfy everyone, however much we'd like to. I have, however, recorded your comments and these will form part of a report that will be used to plan our future timetables. Specifically, I'll highlight the details of your case in direct support of re-introducing a service at 18:33.

I was also sorry to hear how you feel the conditions of our 18:36 service are made worse due to the reliability of our air conditioning units. We do thoroughly check each train overnight, and put right any problems before the train goes out again. There are times though when faults develop once the train has left the depot, and we do realise how uncomfortable this can be. On the rare occasions it does happen we believe that passengers would rather we kept the train running, than delay or cancel it, or have to send a replacement. So I do apologise that we had the fault, but hope you agree that keeping the train in service was the best course of action in the circumstances.

As a rule, if the air conditioning fails in one carriage we try and move passengers into others wherever possible. Even if the train's whole air conditioning system were to fail, we would normally keep the train running until we could repair the fault. Naturally we'd do that at the earliest opportunity, which may not be until the train returns to the depot that evening.

Because we realise how important the right carriage conditions are, we have been working hard to upgrade our air conditioning. We know there have been some problems with the units on Turbo trains and we wanted to replace them all. So in our most recent negotiations for the franchise we entered one bid that included the cost of new units. That bid wasn't successful and the one that was did not cover the costs of a wholesale change. As a result we cannot implement the one-off refurbishment we would have liked for our customers.

Instead we have been steadily working through the fleet, overhauling our air conditioning units so they're now more efficient and much more reliable. Clearly it will take longer to bring all the units up to scratch doing it this way, but we are doing our best to finish the work as soon as possible.

We are currently refreshing our Turbo fleet and when this is complete, our customers will benefit from cleaner, more modern trains. The first refreshed vehicles have now entered service, with plans to complete the project by March 2012.   We are very pleased to be making the following modifications, which will improve the overall comfort of our customer's journeys:

- Fitment of laminated glass with anti graffiti film.
- Provision of a new public information system.
- Renewal of flooring in the saloon, vestibule and toilet areas.
- Upgrade of the toilets and the installation of more reliable equipment.
- Provision of new signage and magazine racks.
- Repainting of ceiling, wall panels, bulkheads and toilets.
- Renewal of seat covers, seats trims, dado panels and waist trims.
- An upgrade of the air conditioning system.

Thank you once again for bringing your comments and concerns to our attention. We welcome feedback from customers, which highlights areas in which we can improve any aspect of our service."
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