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Author Topic: The first ^1,000 fare in the history of Britain's railways  (Read 12796 times)
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« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2009, 16:18:13 »

Quote from: signalandtelegraph link=topic=5598.msg53717#msg53717

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I wish.  BR was national and weighed both commercial and polical considerations in settign fares.  Who is there now who ticks all three of these boxes. 

TOCs (Train Operating Company) are local.  ATOC» (Association of Train Operating Companies see - here) is only interested in the commerical side (it is afterall a trade association) and PF (Penalty Fare) is only interested in the passengers.  DfT» (Department for Transport - about) woudl focus solely on the politics and ignore the commercial needs of the operators and the needs of the passengers
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« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2009, 18:00:18 »

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What DO you get for a ^1,000 train fare? 800 miles, 52 stations, 5 changes and a curry break..

For a thousand hard-earned pounds, you could fly halfway round the world to Sydney... and back again.

But we revealed this week that train bosses want a staggering ^1,002 for a first-class return from Cornwall to Scotland by rail!

So what do you get for your cash? Well, five changes and no hot meal for starters... JAMES ORR» (Office of Rail and Road, formerly Office of Rail Regulation - about) jumped on board for the epic 800-mile trek.

We leave Newquay station bang on time. But we're not exactly travelling in style. The First Great Western leg to Par, Cornwall, consists of just two carriages - with no firstclass cabin. Not the best of starts.

We arrive in Par after gliding past lush green meadows and dairy farms. I'm starting to relax. When we change trains for Plymouth I grab a coffee. Distance: 21 miles.

Plymouth comes into view as it's getting dark. I've had to stand for some of the journey as all the seats were taken. That wouldn't happen on a plane to Sydney. But the scenery - especially the view over the Tamar estuary - helps to cushion the blow. Distance: 36miles.

We leave for Birmingham on time and at last we're in first-class comfort. I crack open a beer to celebrate. Lovely. But the attendant spoils it by saying there's no restaurant carriage for the three-and-a-half-hour trip. That takes the biscuit - and so do I, plus a limp cheese and tomato bloomer.

It's dark and wet as we coast into Birmingham New Street. Fortunately our Virgin train to Crewe is already waiting on the platform so it's a quick change. Distance: 257 miles.
 
Leave on time. The train manager comes over to say the advertised Wi-Fi isn't up and running yet, which was nice of him, but it seems to work when we try it.

I don't fancy coffee so order a bottle of wine and a roast vegetable sandwich (not first-class by any means, but better than the bloomer).

We pull into Crewe and another rain-swept platform. I've an hour and-a-half to kill before the connecting train up to Inverness. I don't fancy freezing on the platform so hotfoot it to a curry house just outside the station for lamb korma, a naan bread and a pint. A proper meal at last. Shame it wasn't included in the price. I feel slightly sick as I hand over the money, and it's not down to the food. Distance: 314 miles.

We leave Crewe, this time with ScotRail. An assistant ushers me into my own sleeper berth. Nice. It's comfy and there's towels and soap for a wash. Nothing doing in the lounge carriage though and I head back to my berth but it takes ages to sleep. Damn those umpteen coffees earlier.

I finally nod off but wake up as we pull into pitch-black Perth.

The train chugs into Dunkeld and Birnam. It's still dark, I can't sleep and there's no one I can ask for tea.

Dawn breaks to reveal the most magnificent rolling Scottish hills under leaden skies. The scenery is out of this world - a bit like the price.

We pull in briefly to Kingussie. The platform's completely deserted.

Leaving Kingussie and the views are breathtaking. The train rattles past rivers, vast undulating hillsides, mist-shrouded valleys, ancient woodland, lochs and I can see snow-capped peaks!

This view deserves an equally magnificent breakfast - smoked kippers maybe, organic sausages and bacon, free-range eggs and a pot of fresh tea perhaps. Fat chance! I have a single complimentary shortbread biscuit and dunk a miserly teabag into a cup of lukewarm water.

We arrive in Inverness to change for a train for the final leg. I'm absolutely exhausted - I feel like I've run the whole way. Distance: 714 miles.

The train is slightly dilapidated but we pass beautiful sunlit lochs. We see the Moray Firth, the little villages of Beauly and Dingwall and I spot stags on the hillsides. Next comes Lochcarron with its white cottages reflected in the waters of the loch and we pass the pinetree lined fishing village of Plockton.

At long last, we arrive at the busy port of Kyle of Lochalsh where a bridge crosses to the Isle of Skye. Distance: 800 miles.

Verdict: So was it worth ^1,002 for the privilege? The views for the last couple of hours were amazing, but that's not enough to make up for the long overnight hours of mind-numbing coffee-fuelled tedium. And for that sort of money, a proper meal is the least you'd expect. And I had to stand up for some of the way! Whinge, grumble, moan. Now, where's the train back to Newquay?

1st LEG: Newquay, Par

2nd LEG: Lostwithiel, Bodmin Parkway, Liskeard, Menheniot, St Germans, Saltash, St Budeaux, Keyham, Dockyard Devonport, Devonport, Plymouth

3rd LEG: Totnes, Exeter St Davids, Tiverton Parkway, Taunton, Bristol Temple Meads, Bristol Parkway, Cheltenham Spa, Birmingham New Street, Wolverhampton Stafford, Crewe

4th LEG: Preston, Sterling, Dunblane, Gleneagles, Perth, Dunkeld and Birnam, Pitlochry, Blair Atholl, Dalwhinnie, Newtonmore, Kingussie, Aviemore, Inverness

5th LEG: Beauly, Muir of Ord, Dingwall, Garve, Lochluichart, Achanalt, Achnasheen, Achnashellach, Strathcarron, Attadale, Stromeferry, Duncraig, Plockton, Duirinish, Kyle of Lochalsh

39 miles per hour, average speed

20.5 hours. Total journey time

49 pounds. Cost per hour on train

3 different train operators used

12 cups of coffee drunk on trip

6 sandwiches eaten, plus a curry in Crewe!

3 stags spotted plus one heron
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« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2009, 18:59:05 »

The summary at the end of that story doesn't tally with the preceeding text. Our intrepid journo said he changed at Birmingham yet '3rd Leg' tells a different story. Must be wrong because I don't think there are any direct trains to Crewe from Plymouth these days.

Also with that change I make it 4 TOCs (Train Operating Company) used.
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« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2009, 19:28:42 »

"You may very well think that: I couldn't possibly comment."

C.  Wink Cheesy Grin
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William Huskisson MP (Member of Parliament, or Mile Post - a method of measuring the railway in miles and chains from a starting point - usually London, depending on context) was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830.  Many more have died in the same way since then.  Don't take a chance: Stop, Look, Listen.

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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2009, 19:48:53 »

The summary at the end of that story doesn't tally with the preceeding text. Our intrepid journo said he changed at Birmingham yet '3rd Leg' tells a different story. Must be wrong because I don't think there are any direct trains to Crewe from Plymouth these days.

Also with that change I make it 4 TOCs (Train Operating Company) used.

Damn you bignosemac - you crashed my system  Cheesy

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« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2009, 20:16:30 »

The summary at the end of that story doesn't tally with the preceeding text. Our intrepid journo said he changed at Birmingham yet '3rd Leg' tells a different story. Must be wrong because I don't think there are any direct trains to Crewe from Plymouth these days.

Also with that change I make it 4 TOCs (Train Operating Company) used.

Damn you bignosemac - you crashed my system  Cheesy



Hope you've backed up Phil, because I just spotted something else. What happened to Newton Abbot? Great detail listing all the stops in Cornwall and around Plymouth then totally missing a major station. Perhaps our intrepid journo was in the toilet......makes sense if he was on a Vomiter. Grin
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« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2009, 20:59:39 »

Any 'journalist' worth the name would know that one of the largest cities in Scotland is spelt STIRLING - what a pillock!
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« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2010, 23:47:31 »

Good news (?!) and worth resurrecting this thread:

CrossCountry have dropped the price of the Newquay-Kyle of Lochalsh First Class Anytime Return.

From a truly extortionate ^1068, it has been reduced to a much more agreeable ^921.  Tongue

And, rather unusually, the fare change has already gone live. TOCs (Train Operating Company) normally wait until a new NFM (National Fares Manual) is published.
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« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2010, 10:41:49 »

Yet the newspapers haven't picked up on the generosity of XC (Cross Country Trains (franchise))Wink
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« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2010, 12:14:44 »

the generosity of XC (Cross Country Trains (franchise))Wink

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« Reply #25 on: May 04, 2010, 15:01:13 »

Now reported by Railway Eye that XC (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) has reduced *that* fare by 40%, by capping first class anytime returns (which also has the effect of chopping the price of many others too). Such generosity...
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« Reply #26 on: May 04, 2010, 18:22:46 »

Yep, CrossCountry have capped their First Class Anytime Returns to ^640. I've checked with journey planners.

As pointed out by Railway Eye, this now means that the UK (United Kingdom)'s most expensive rail fare is set by the nationalised East Coast. The Newquay to Kyle of Lochalsh via London FOR remains priced at ^749.
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« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2010, 19:11:14 »

The significance of the GBP 640.00 price tag has just dawned on me - it's GBP 10.00 less than the first class 7-day All Line Rover fare (travel first class with no time restriction across the entire network for a week). So there should definitely be no takers for the EC-set fare!
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« Reply #28 on: May 04, 2010, 20:12:23 »

...and XC (Cross Country Trains (franchise))'s Standard Anytime Returns have been capped at ^420. Again ^10 under the Standard 7 Day All Line.
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« Reply #29 on: May 04, 2010, 20:57:34 »

Well, all credit to XC (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) for doing that! (Never thought I would say that about XC!)
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