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Author Topic: Chiltern Evergreen 3 - Further new Track Access Agreement Application  (Read 65051 times)
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« Reply #75 on: December 11, 2009, 10:03:54 »

Mr Shooter won't be happy if that's the case.....

I suspect the ORR» (Office of Rail and Road formerly Office of Rail Regulation - about) weren't happy with at least one aspect of the application....
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« Reply #76 on: December 11, 2009, 20:05:17 »

Mr Shooter won't be happy if that's the case.....

I suspect the ORR» (Office of Rail and Road formerly Office of Rail Regulation - about) weren't happy with at least one aspect of the application....

I wonder if the delay has something to do with ATW (Arriva Trains Wales (former TOC (Train Operating Company)))'s application to run services from Aberystwyth to Marylebone. The application has still not been closed on the ORR's website and ATW were vehement in their opposition to some aspects of Evergreen 3.

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« Reply #77 on: December 11, 2009, 20:16:27 »

The application has still not been closed on the ORR» (Office of Rail and Road formerly Office of Rail Regulation - about)'s website and ATW (Arriva Trains Wales (former TOC (Train Operating Company))) were vehement in their opposition to some aspects of Evergreen 3.

There were serious concerns from most of the other affected TOC's. Not so much in the objectives of the application, but the lack of detail/clarity in certain aspects.
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« Reply #78 on: December 11, 2009, 20:24:21 »

Welcome to the Coffee Shop forum, Chafford1!  Smiley
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« Reply #79 on: December 11, 2009, 20:26:58 »

I doubt if ATW (Arriva Trains Wales (former TOC (Train Operating Company)))'s objections have any more significance than any of the others. They are basically there on the basis that if their current application is approved, they will already have rights to the route, so why should they pay more if Chiltern improve the route afterwards.

I think many people think that ATW have little or no chance of approval anyway, but I'm sure they have to cover all the options...  IIRC (if I recall/remember/read correctly) Hull Trains quickly got the bums rush when they proposed to go off their patch, although that's possibly slightly different as they are open access...

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« Reply #80 on: December 12, 2009, 20:25:33 »

Welcome to the Coffee Shop forum, Chafford1!  Smiley

Thanks.


Perhaps Lord Adonis will announce this along with the Liverpool/Manchester/ Preston electrification details next week. The contractors are certainly expecting something to happen:

http://www.iii.co.uk/investment/detail?type=&code=cotn:JRVS.L&it=le&display=discussion&action=detail&id=5680937

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« Reply #81 on: December 13, 2009, 00:54:49 »

I will be annoyed if this gets delayed by a year because of these hiccups! It is an excellent project, the type which should be encouraged!
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« Reply #82 on: December 13, 2009, 11:08:28 »

Why by a year though?
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« Reply #83 on: December 13, 2009, 16:02:29 »

Next timetable change.

They've got a lot to do to get it ready for December 10. Any delay will just see the new timetable put back a year, as I doubt NR» (Network Rail - home page) will be able to morph in the new timetable in May without changes to LM (London Midland - recent franchise)/XC (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) etc.
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« Reply #84 on: December 13, 2009, 16:04:19 »

As long as the timings from Aynho Junction northwards are retained, they could retime south of there, meaning a later departure...from May 11.
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« Reply #85 on: December 16, 2009, 14:12:09 »

I wonder if its being put quietly on hold while the "Improving value for money" study is being carried out? - http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=5875.msg56519#msg56519

And about time too.  If ever there was an award for a monolithic, overmanned, uneconomic and unresponsive organisation then its got to be given to NR» (Network Rail - home page).  We need to, and have the skills and expertise to, do these projects faster and more cheaply and get them right first time. Cool

My vote is for vertical integration (Sectorisation Wink).  Let the primary TOC (Train Operating Company) on a route run the infrastructure (like they do with stations in most cases).
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« Reply #86 on: January 05, 2010, 20:46:05 »

Everthing's gone very quiet on Evergreen 3. Does anyone know why there is a delay?
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« Reply #87 on: January 05, 2010, 21:26:24 »

ORR» (Office of Rail and Road formerly Office of Rail Regulation - about) and DfT» (Department for Transport - about) Christmas shut down between 24th and 4th, I'd expect.

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« Reply #88 on: January 05, 2010, 21:43:46 »

Hmmmm - it was due before December 1.....
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« Reply #89 on: January 06, 2010, 12:04:42 »

We knew that. I was pointing out why nothing would be expected in the last couple of weeks really...

Chafford1's questions here and elsewhere are pretty much unanswerable, on the reasonable assumption that no one from the upper echelons of any of those organisations posts here...

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