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« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2009, 11:35:18 » |
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I'd exercise caution there. I don't think it's '30 DMUs▸ ' it's far more likely that's the number of DMU vehicles... Also MR▸ suggest 30 vehicles from 'LM▸ and LO' combined, not 30 from LM and another 5 from LO - unless you know different of course. So call it 15 DMUs?
London Midland have 12 2 car 150s and 14 3 car 150s and London Overground have 5? 2 car 150s, so I don't think there are 30 150s unless the 3 car ones are spilt up. Are FGW▸ still going to get new DMUs as wasn't the decision of who gets the LM 150s partly dependant on who gets brand new DMUs? But then the electrification stratergy has come in since and postponed any new DMU order. |
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« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2009, 11:52:52 » |
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TransPennine Express used 158s in that way when they got some 158s sub-leased from Central Trains to strengthen services. (Not using a mixture of CT and TPE▸ livered units though!) I think the Central Trains 158s that TPE had went to Northern via First Great Western and the TPE 158s were returned to their original formation before mainly go to South West Trains (and also East Midlands Trains and one or two to Northern.) |
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« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2009, 13:02:53 » |
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I'd exercise caution there. I don't think it's '30 DMUs▸ ' it's far more likely that's the number of DMU vehicles... Also MR▸ suggest 30 vehicles from 'LM▸ and LO' combined, not 30 from LM and another 5 from LO - unless you know different of course. So call it 15 DMUs?
London Midland have 12 2 car 150s and 14 3 car 150s and London Overground have 5? 2 car 150s, so I don't think there are 30 150s unless the 3 car ones are spilt up. Are FGW▸ still going to get new DMUs as wasn't the decision of who gets the LM 150s partly dependant on who gets brand new DMUs? But then the electrification stratergy has come in since and postponed any new DMU order. it is 30 vehicles FGW are getting not 30 units,i would stick money on FGW splitting them back to 2 cars you will probably find as part of lease LM will have to reform them bac to 2 cars anyway that way middle cabs will need putting back to spec |
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« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2009, 15:33:46 » |
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I'm sure I've seen one of the 3-car 150s with a cab-less centre vehicle. Don't see it often, I think its a one-off. I guess that one would have to stay as a 3-car.
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« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2009, 15:47:07 » |
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I'm sure I've seen one of the 3-car 150s with a cab-less centre vehicle. Don't see it often, I think its a one-off. I guess that one would have to stay as a 3-car.
Quite possible. The two prototypes, 150001 and 150002 were built as 3 car units, and they are still to be found trundling around on the London Midland network. |
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« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2009, 18:22:58 » |
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Are FGW▸ still going to get new DMUs▸ as wasn't the decision of who gets the LM▸ 150s partly dependant on who gets brand new DMUs? But then the electrification stratergy has come in since and postponed any new DMU order.
You have pretty much answered your own question there. Sadly no new trains for Cardiff-Portsmouth because of electrification but that is still quite sometime away so we could see overcrowding occuring more frequently on this route than is already seen despite strengthening trains to three vehicles. |
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« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2009, 19:23:22 » |
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I'm sure I've seen one of the 3-car 150s with a cab-less centre vehicle. Don't see it often, I think its a one-off. I guess that one would have to stay as a 3-car.
Quite possible. The two prototypes, 150001 and 150002 were built as 3 car units, and they are still to be found trundling around on the London Midland network. easy to tell by a couple of differences apart from no cab,the front end looks like a 150/1 but the crew doors are same as 150/2 more commonly known as scud 1 and 2 because in the early days they would get where they needed but not back again |
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« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2009, 19:41:12 » |
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I always though that the moniker 'scud' referred to 158s. For those that are interested (?!!) there's a nice list here of the various nicknames applied to UK▸ locos and multiple units. Too much time spent at the end of platforms with me egg sandwiches and hooded kagool..... |
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« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2009, 21:09:26 » |
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For those that are interested (?!!) there's a nice list here of the various nicknames applied to UK▸ locos and multiple units. They seem to have missed out one popular local nickname for class 153. Not sure its entirely suitable for this forum though.....  |
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« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2009, 21:28:29 » |
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For those that are interested (?!!) there's a nice list here of the various nicknames applied to UK▸ locos and multiple units. They seem to have missed out one popular local nickname for class 153. Not sure its entirely suitable for this forum though..... Well...I think I know to whit you refer (although for the unitiated, maybe a heavily censored version?) but in the meantime lets stick with 'Super Bubble' |
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« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2009, 03:23:24 » |
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Hang on...
As far as 153s are concerned they're missing "skateboard" (obvious) and "coffin nail" (because, supposedly, when they turn up on your branch line you know it will get closed down soon...). Or indeed, with a nod to one of our members, "dogbox".
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« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2009, 08:29:06 » |
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I always though that the moniker 'scud' referred to 158s. For those that are interested (?!!) there's a nice list here of the various nicknames applied to UK▸ locos and multiple units. Too much time spent at the end of platforms with me egg sandwiches and hooded kagool..... scud was originally coined for the 150/0's prior to the refurb job they had scud1 and scud2 wrote in cab for years,done in marker pen by persons unknown,it may well have reappeared again |
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« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2009, 12:02:42 » |
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also missing the FGW▸ staff name for 142's "Chuckle bus".
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« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2009, 12:49:04 » |
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I'm sure I've seen one of the 3-car 150s with a cab-less centre vehicle. Don't see it often, I think its a one-off. I guess that one would have to stay as a 3-car.
Quite possible. The two prototypes, 150001 and 150002 were built as 3 car units, and they are still to be found trundling around on the London Midland network. Wasn't another 3 car one formed after an accident? |
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