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« Reply #135 on: December 01, 2012, 22:56:03 »

If I read the local press correctly we will never have such an integrated authority while the current rulers of North Somerset have their way.  My only hope is that the press are as inaccurate with that suggestion as many others that they make.
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« Reply #136 on: December 02, 2012, 21:38:18 »

My thoughts too, Chris. As for Trainer's point, I am in full accord. The sticking point is Elfan ap Rees, a traditional Weston super Mare name. I have considerable respect for his work in establishing the Helicopter Museum. but think he is against the ITA (Integrated Transport Authority) only because it would diminish his position on North Somerset DC (Direct Current), and make him less of a little Hitler than he thought he was. I don't think Weston's cause is served by refusing to engage with other authorities, but I understand the desire to resist the Bristocentric nature of any new regional authority. An ITA is a must.
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« Reply #137 on: December 02, 2012, 22:16:17 »

Some of the antipathy from North Somerset probably stems from those with long memories who were never happy when that area was hived off from Somerset into Avon in 1974. Some reluctance I guess to returning some of their powers to an ITA (Integrated Transport Authority) which will logically be centred on Bristol.

If North Somerset won't play ball, then perhaps Bristol, Bath & North East Somerset and South Gloucestershire should proceed with an ITA plan without them. Force their hand....
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« Reply #138 on: December 02, 2012, 22:24:15 »

Some of the antipathy from North Somerset probably stems from those with long memories who were never happy when that area was hived off from Somerset into Avon in 1974. Some reluctance I guess to returning some of their powers to an ITA (Integrated Transport Authority) which will logically be centred on Bristol.

If North Somerset won't play ball, then perhaps Bristol, Bath & North East Somerset and South Gloucestershire should proceed with an ITA plan without them. Force their hand....

Could do but where would that leave the Portishead Branch
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« Reply #139 on: December 02, 2012, 23:09:51 »

I think North Somerset now support the Portishead re-opening, but as BNM says, they have a great resistance to being involved with anything that might look like 'Avon Revived'.  For me it's one of those occasions where political considerations blind councillors to a wider and greater vision of what might be achieved.  Who would lose out with the formation of an ITA (Integrated Transport Authority)? The politicians would lose a little power, share their budgets and have to work with people they cannot control from other authorities: I suspect that's the problem.  However the travelling public could be winners with all the advantages wider integration would bring.  I am not sure that helicopters would be a natural feature of improved public transport in North Somerset, but if anyone can think of a way of involving them, Mr ap Rees may change his tune.
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« Reply #140 on: December 02, 2012, 23:22:16 »

As I say. Force their hand.

The commuting voters in the Portishead area will doubtless see the benefits an ITA (Integrated Transport Authority) will bring to them.

I really do hope that all parties (personal and political) can come together to drive the ITA plan forward. Mayor Ferguson in Bristol needs to take the lead and make this issue a top priority. His political independence will hopefully be a positive rather than a hindrance.

Bristol Metro plans already include services into the surrounding local authority areas and we have one local MP (Member of Parliament), Charlotte Leslie banging the drum for the Henbury Loop*. She's my constituency MP, and, although I didn't vote for her, I'm backing her on this issue. Handy that she is the same colour as the ruling national government. With North Somerset also being blue, both the LA and the two MPs, it shouldn't be too difficult to get them on side.

If Cllr Ap Rees is a sticking point then perhaps he can be politically sidelined on this issue.


*Political canvassing isn't normally my bag, but I urge forum members to sign her petition, and/or, as is the modern way, 'Like' the specific Facebook page!

http://www.henburyloop.bristolpetitions.com/
http://www.facebook.com/henburyloop
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« Reply #141 on: December 05, 2012, 20:30:09 »

Thanks, NickF - it is, until next Monday (10 December), at http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01p6nyq/Inside_Out_West_03_12_2012/
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« Reply #142 on: December 05, 2012, 20:37:11 »

I was sorry to see Dave Redgewell in a wheelchair.  He has done his best for incapacitated bus users and is now apparently one himself.
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« Reply #143 on: December 05, 2012, 23:28:32 »

I was also sorry to see that. I was also sorry to see councillor Tim Kent, who used to have control of public transport in the city, explain that the future is bus and bicycle. I don't like to personalise these things, but that man is an idiot.
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« Reply #144 on: December 13, 2012, 10:30:46 »

FTN.  I saw that interview and I think your comment a little unfair.  He was talking (at that moment) about travel within the central area.  I think he mentioned walking too.  The three methods are relevant in a city centre rather than any other, unless we are thinking 'Bristol Tube' here   Grin  .   
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« Reply #145 on: December 13, 2012, 12:30:38 »

My mention of the 'Bristol Tube' above got me thinking.

There is a London blog called London Reconnections that deals with the type of subjects covered here in this thread .  Perhaps 'Bristol Reconnections' could be a useful re-titling for this thread.

The reason I suggest this, is prompted also by a suggestion I think should be made which is unlikely to be made in the context of 'new services' because it is not franchise-driven, more a strategic link one, thus a consideration for the RUS (Route Utilisation Strategy) procedures (?).

The Bristol Avoiding Line used to do just that (avoid), as far as services that did not need to access the central area around Temple Meads.  (Indeed, Bristol had two, as the Harbour line could and did very occasionally so serve in the last war, but clearly for a very much shorter distance.)

The one through St Philips Marsh could access the Mainline to the east, by cutting through the area now occupied by the ghastly American style car-orientated mall area to the east of the Spine Road.

Fortunately, the trajectory of that line is now occupied by a high tension power line.  Thus, there is potential to reinstate  it, especially as the Spine Road is on a viaduct.  One of the appalling bowling alley type developments might have to be acquired.  They could even gain a station!

What a dreadful legacy that Development Corporation of the 90s left.  The area beneath the Spine Road was for the majority, just left to light industry (nothing wrong in that actually, but not exactly what we now think as mixed development) and some less savoury activities.  I do not accept the achievements were at all as described in the Wikipedia entry.  Now we have another such organisation (WOE (West of England) LEP» (Local Enterprise Partnership - about)) although one observes that its Chairman, Mr Colin Skellet, appears more enlightened.

Why would one do this?  Well,

1) it gives a swift way for diverting trains from the Castle Cary route, without so many conflicts.  Other services could easily use it in emergency.  Admittedly, if Doctor Days Jcn to Filton Jcn is redoubled to quadruple, such diversions can proceed via Badminton, but that route is to receive the expanded Bristol Metro, so the extra capacity will be soon absorbed.
 
2) it gives the possibility to develop a station at the south end of the proposed Arena, where excursions to events (similar idea to re-opening Ashton Gate and using Abbey Wood) could be handled, again relieving the TM(resolve) area.

3) a new service via that route could connect with buses that pass Bath Road bridge towards the central area, using lifts and / or escalators as well as serving the residential developments in the immediate area.  The new station could be connected with TM proper by shuttle or travolator (I've walked further at Lulsgate Airport!!!).
 
4) It cannot be ruled out that the era of holiday excursions from South Wales and the North (which used to use the route in the 50s) is upon us once more.

5) As the freight is coming from south of Bristol, (e.g. Liberty and Portbury) it ticks that box too.

As the only re-connection is the short spur to the Main Line, one does not envisage the cost as huge as the bridges are intact and the line can be doubled.  If incorporated into the new signalling system (at least preparation for it) that is also eased.

Did I forget anything?   Grin

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« Reply #146 on: December 16, 2012, 00:38:19 »

Perhaps 'Bristol Reconnections' could be a useful re-titling for this thread.

Thanks for that constructive suggestion, swrural: I've amended this topic heading accordingly, as it's rather clearer than 'merged topic' (although even I am limited by the number of characters which may be used).  Wink
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« Reply #147 on: December 18, 2012, 12:28:23 »

I am replying not pm, just so that others may wish to comment.  I think there should be one heading for the strategic stuff and it should not be in this 'chat' area but in the 'new services campaigns' one (but thanks for trying to accommodate my suggestion).  I also started off one about Temple Meads Hub and that also ought to be merged in (sorry I started it as I could have used an existing thread in 'campaigns for new services').

So on Bristol area, there would be one thread for commuters and operational stuff (as now) under 'journey by journey' and one for the general development of services in the Greater Bristol area (under Campaigns).

This last bit is Chat.
The compromise title 'West of England' title the local Bristol area authorities use is daft.  Exeter is in the WOE (West of England) and so is Gloucester.  Nobody who is a true west country man thinks other than he lives in the West.  These titles are dreamed up by people with funny foreign accents like cockney, welsh  or north country - just listen to all the local authority officers who moved down here for a soft number job.)

Nice little Christmas rant, that one (bit of Yorkshire in there actually).   Grin
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« Reply #148 on: December 18, 2012, 17:21:12 »

swrural,

I have similar ideas to yours. We are close to the start of the tram-train experiment in Yorkshire, at least in terms of the time spans of railway projects. If that proves successful, , and Norman Baker seems confident, then a junction outside the showcase cinema could bring the route into Avonmeads. A third bridge through the roundabout could continue that line on street for the short distance past Sainsburys, then through the present council depot, the former tram depot, and along the route of the old Bristol & North Somerset line. The only obstruction before Callington Road is a scrap yard on the site of the former Brislington Station. It could continue through to Whitchurch with a bit of imagination, and even loop around to Hartcliffe and Withywood. In other countries, it would continue to the airport, or across the A38 to reconnect at Parson Street. Hey presto - the city has a southern orbital railway.

From Temple Meads, we could do with a light rail loop around the city centre via Cabot Circus. The rail bridge over the Avon has a turn-off to the right, presumably to allow access to the Digby Wyatt shed in days gone by. That could lead our tram-train into a state-of-the-art transport hub, before going off via a signal controlled Temple Circus Gyratory between Redcliffe Way and Portwall Lane.

It will never happen.
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« Reply #149 on: December 18, 2012, 17:49:10 »

Makes a lot of sense to me. Have you thought of forwarding this to the Mayor for his consideration ?
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