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« Reply #1395 on: September 24, 2018, 11:48:21 » |
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As the contract would still be with Hitachi (who would be contracted to modify them, I guess)< that contract could specify that they put one (or more, depending how many get converted at a time). Solves the stock-in-use problem, but I agree there'll be a cost for conversion
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« Reply #1396 on: September 30, 2018, 18:24:51 » |
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GWR▸ are replying to passengers on twitter that they are looking at a new first class and standard class food offering.
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« Reply #1397 on: September 30, 2018, 21:17:19 » |
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GWR▸ are replying to passengers on twitter that they are looking at a new first class and standard class food offering.
This needs watching very carefully. From what we have seen in recent years, I naturally suspect more downgrades. In standard class "a revised trolley offering, more in line with the results of recent market research, and resulting in a quicker service for all passengers" That being PR▸ speak for nothing on some services, and a reduced choice on longer distance trains. In first class "an improved catering offer available to all first class customers on selected services" That being PR speak for no more full restaurants with a microwaved airline meal instead. |
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #1398 on: September 30, 2018, 23:57:19 » |
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GWR▸ are replying to passengers on twitter that they are looking at a new first class and standard class food offering.
The boss has said in the latest staff circular "There are service areas we need to get right - and making the most of the catering opportunities on board our IETs▸ is one of them..." It sounds like something is in the offing. |
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« Reply #1399 on: October 03, 2018, 23:25:05 » |
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GWR▸ are replying to passengers on twitter that they are looking at a new first class and standard class food offering.
The boss has said in the latest staff circular "There are service areas we need to get right - and making the most of the catering opportunities on board our IETs▸ is one of them..." It sounds like something is in the offing. Hallelujah! |
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« Reply #1400 on: October 04, 2018, 17:59:56 » |
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GWR▸ are replying to passengers on twitter that they are looking at a new first class and standard class food offering.
The boss has said in the latest staff circular "There are service areas we need to get right - and making the most of the catering opportunities on board our IETs▸ is one of them..." It sounds like something is in the offing. I have heard plenty of waffle from GWR bosses in staff communications, I wouldn’t bet my house on anything too drastic, or too expensive happening anytime soon. |
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« Reply #1401 on: October 04, 2018, 22:22:57 » |
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Different sandwich fillings perhaps.
Calling the trolley a "gourmet at seat selection" perhaps.
Something complicated involving smartphones and apps, possibly.
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« Reply #1402 on: October 05, 2018, 09:05:03 » |
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Also apparently there are plans to operate two trolleys ok the nine cars.
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« Reply #1403 on: October 06, 2018, 10:55:15 » |
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Also apparently there are plans to operate two trolleys on the nine cars.
Was not two trolleys originally a promise ? Which then became a future aspiration. And if eventually sometimes achieved will no doubt be touted as a great step forward ! |
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« Reply #1404 on: October 06, 2018, 13:11:39 » |
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Also apparently there are plans to operate two trolleys on the nine cars.
Was not two trolleys originally a promise ? Which then became a future aspiration. And if eventually sometimes achieved will no doubt be touted as a great step forward ! Well, GWR▸ aren’t the best at keeping promises. |
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« Reply #1405 on: October 06, 2018, 13:19:44 » |
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Pullman dining is settling in on the IETs▸ . Not without its problems though: https://twitter.com/seatsixtyone/status/1047853338790907906?s=20  |
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"A clear conscience laughs at a false accusation."
"Treat everyone the same until you find out they're an idiot."
"Moral indignation is a technique used to endow the idiot with dignity."
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« Reply #1406 on: October 06, 2018, 16:03:52 » |
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It's interesting to re-read the first few pages of this thread from nine years ago, to see what has changed. People talking about the Travelling Chef (long since axed), no advance tickets on the Cotswold Line (we now have them) and Broadgage at his cynical best claiming the trend is to remove one Pullman train per timetable change and predicting it won't be long until it was gone entirely. It was four trains a day back then, and that number has in fact increased to ten since!  |
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« Reply #1407 on: October 07, 2018, 09:02:14 » |
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Whilst I am glad to say that my cynical prediction regarding the end of Pullman dining was nor realised, my other catering prediction regarding the abolition of buffets was unfortunately true.
For years I forecast, and then stated as a fact that "the new trains wont have buffets" Many respected members of these forums took a different view and felt that I was being unduly negative.
Even after drawings of the internal layout were shown, without a buffet, it was pointed out that this was only "one possible layout"
Several members felt that my criticisms were premature because "none of us have actually seen a new train yet" I felt able to complain about the absence of a buffet without personal inspection.
I also predicted the abolition of the travelling chef, and that the trolley service on the new DMUs▸ would be inadequate.
The retention of the Pullman service Is most welcome, but does not make up for the building a large fleet of so called inter-city trains without buffets.
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« Reply #1408 on: October 07, 2018, 09:49:06 » |
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Whilst I am glad to say that my cynical prediction regarding the end of Pullman dining was nor realised..............
A few of weeks ago, I was chatting to a couple of chaps who had independently booked First Class Advance tickets (for November) for Newton Abbot to Paddington and return, specifically to sample the delights of the Pullman. Both had tickets for the Up Golden Hind and the 12:03 back from Paddington the following day. In one case, the Up reservation was in Coach E, whilst the Down was in coach L. The other chap had reservations for coach L (Up) and coach E (return). Logic tells me that the reservations system indicates an expected 2x5 IET▸ formation for both services. If that is the case, one of these two is going to miss out on his Pullman dining unless an High Speed Trains ( HST▸ ) turns up  Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym |
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« Reply #1409 on: October 07, 2018, 14:18:25 » |
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GWR▸ 's Pullman Dining page tells you: You’ll need to reserve your seat at least one hour before your train leaves. Only make a reservation if you’re planning to dine with us. I says nothing about whether this is the same as any seat reservation on this train, or First Advance, or whether it's an extra dining reservation (it also uses the term booking). It also says this: There are currently no available spaces for wheelchair users, or accessible toilets, on our Pullman services.
Our new Intercity Express Train Pullman coaches, which will start to enter service in 2018, will provide access to wheelchair users and have accessible toilets. So I can understand if passengers can't follow GWR's instructions - or even find them. Wake up, someone in there!
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