Great Western Railway: on-board catering, buffets, Travelling Chef, Pullman - ongoing discussion

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[broadgage]

Timmer, you should know by now there's only one thing that broadgage is concerned about!

I know and I know it disappoints him to think there are those who could be going hungry because the train is short formed.

I would assure you that many other subjects concern me, however this thread is about CATERING.
Years ago I stated that the new DMUs^▸ (Diesel Multiple Unit) would have no buffet, such views were widely ridiculed, though ultimately proved correct.
AFTER the new units were specified without buffets, a survey was done to prove that buffets were no longer wanted.
Advocates of the new trains changed their tune from "of course there will be a buffet" to "a trolley is much better, surveys show it"
I also stated that on a 5+5 train that the trolley would be in the other portion. This has happened regularly despite assurances that two trolleys would be provided on full length trains.
I further stated that downgrading the catering to only a trolley would much reduce choice, this also has happened, despite promises of improved trolleys that would "keep hot things hot and cold things cold"
A hot food service in standard class was also promised but seems to have sunk without trace.

Advocates of the new shorter trains have now had to change tack AGAIN by stating I should not judge the new trains on what is offered at present, but should wait until the whole fleet is in use.

[IndustryInsider]

I would assure you that many other subjects concern me, however this thread is about CATERING.
Years ago I stated that the new DMUs^▸ (Diesel Multiple Unit) would have no buffet, such views were widely ridiculed, though ultimately proved correct.

Can you point us to a post of yours that was ‘ridiculed’? 

I think most of us, myself included, simply said that it was pointless assuming anything, and as the train design allowed for a buffet we should wait and see.  I also remember acknowledging that your prediction did turn out to be correct and IIRC^▸ ('if I recall/remember/read correctly') was (and am) disappointed that there will be no buffet on Swansea and WoE services where they would still be of great benefit.  Other GWR^▸ (Great Western Railway) routes and a trolley is fine IMHO^▸ ('in my humble opinion').

By the way I write this on a train where the customer host has just apologised for a lack of hot food and a cash only catering facility.  It’s a High Speed Trains (HST^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units))).

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym

[IndustryInsider]

Over 20 half length IETs^▸ (Intercity Express Train - replacement for HSTs (manufactured by Hitachi in Kobe, Japan)) today, and ALL advertised as having reduced catering.

Looks like some of those have now been restored to full length, including the busy 17:30 to Taunton.  All reduced facilities have also been restored on the ones now correctly formed, leading me to believe what I suggested earlier regarding messages on journeycheck is probably correct.

[IndustryInsider]

Years ago I stated that the new DMUs^▸ (Diesel Multiple Unit) would have no buffet, such views were widely ridiculed, though ultimately proved correct.

Can you point us to a post of yours that was ‘ridiculed’.

Hmmm, it would appear not.   

[broadgage]

"ridiculed" is a rather subjective term open to differing interpretations.

"I was that I had your crystal ball" is at least mild ridicule.

I have however made many posts, going back some years, that were critical of the new DMUs^▸ (Diesel Multiple Unit) in general, and in particular critical of the catering.
These were widely criticised and answered by such statements as "how can you state the absence of a buffet without even seeing a new train"
They don't have buffets.
I even pointed out published drawings showing no buffet, but was told that this represented "only one possible layout"

But a rigged survey was later done to show that buffets are no longer wanted, so that it is OK.

I also forecast that the improved trolley service would not happen, and it is as basic as forecast.
The promised hot food service in standard class never appeared.
If a full length train appears, then only one trolley seems to be the norm.

The far west services are yet to be downgraded, but it has been confirmed that these also will have no buffet.

[IndustryInsider]

I would certainly agree to being critical of some of your posts, forums like this would be largely redundant if people all held the same opinions after all, but that’s a long way from any serious ridicule. 

I wouldn’t even describe any ‘crystal ball’ posts as anything more than a bit of light teasing at worst, given it’s you that keeps referring to it, but I accept that is a subjective opinion.

[bobm]

Not sure if it has been reported before, but a poster at the recent GWR^▸ (Great Western Railway) Community Rail conference said catering trolleys would be provided on the Castle Class 2+4 High Speed Trains (HST^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units))) sets when they enter service.

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym

[CMRail]

And 10 months has passed since the IET^▸ (Intercity Express Train - replacement for HSTs (manufactured by Hitachi in Kobe, Japan)) introduction and we are yet to see the catering improvements we were told about?

I understand GWR^▸ (Great Western Railway) have better priority’s such as having a train long enough for the trolley to get through, but the level of catering being provided is a downgrade at the moment. They really should get a new trolley in and start to offer hot food facilities to all passengers if they want more trade. And add an extra trolley on the nine cars before passengers in coach A won’t starve.

[broadgage]

I never believed the stories about catering improvements, they were in my view a simple smokescreen to try and justify specifying the new DMUs^▸ (Diesel Multiple Unit) without a buffet.
It remains to be seen what wonderous improvements are yet to come of course, the first 10 months have been a significant downgrade.

Mark Hopwood has stated on these forums that trolley catering would be greatly improved by the introduction of "improved trolleys that would keep hot things hot and cold things cold" These have yet to be seen.

I forecast that on a 5+5 train that the trolley would be in the wrong portion, this has happened regularly.
I also forecast that the reduced capacity of the new shorter trains would result in the trolley being static and unable to pass along the train, a frequent event.

And as for the excellent Pullman restaurant services, these have so far survived the downgrade from proper inter-city trains to DMUs, but I feat that their days are numbered.
Some time ago, in these forums, I queried how a restaurant service could be provided on a pair of non gangwayed 5 car DMUs.
Reports by a respected member on another forum* state that Pullman provision has been reduced to only 15 meals per train, and is restricted to first class.

When the GWR^▸ (Great Western Railway) franchise is next re-tendered, I expect more catering downgrades, though like the original removal of the buffet car, these will no doubt be called improvements.

The prohibition on buffet cars is a GWR thing, customers on other routes will still be allowed buffet cars on their IETs^▸ (Intercity Express Train - replacement for HSTs (manufactured by Hitachi in Kobe, Japan)).

[devonexpress]

I never believed the stories about catering improvements, they were in my view a simple smokescreen to try and justify specifying the new DMUs^▸ (Diesel Multiple Unit) without a buffet.
It remains to be seen what wonderous improvements are yet to come of course, the first 10 months have been a significant downgrade.

Mark Hopwood has stated on these forums that trolley catering would be greatly improved by the introduction of "improved trolleys that would keep hot things hot and cold things cold" These have yet to be seen.

I forecast that on a 5+5 train that the trolley would be in the wrong portion, this has happened regularly.
I also forecast that the reduced capacity of the new shorter trains would result in the trolley being static and unable to pass along the train, a frequent event.

And as for the excellent Pullman restaurant services, these have so far survived the downgrade from proper inter-city trains to DMUs, but I feat that their days are numbered.
Some time ago, in these forums, I queried how a restaurant service could be provided on a pair of non gangwayed 5 car DMUs.
Reports by a respected member on another forum* state that Pullman provision has been reduced to only 15 meals per train, and is restricted to first class.

When the GWR^▸ (Great Western Railway) franchise is next re-tendered, I expect more catering downgrades, though like the original removal of the buffet car, these will no doubt be called improvements.

The prohibition on buffet cars is a GWR thing, customers on other routes will still be allowed buffet cars on their IETs^▸ (Intercity Express Train - replacement for HSTs (manufactured by Hitachi in Kobe, Japan)).

I've been told the opposite more Pullman services to be launched,  and as for that rumor I'd take it as a pinch of salt.

[broadgage]

I've been told the opposite more Pullman services to be launched,  and as for that rumor I'd take it as a pinch of salt.

I would certainly welcome more Pullmans, I can remember the good old days of 7 Pullmans a day in each direction to/from the west.

WHICH rumour is to be taken with a pinch of salt ? The one about more Pullmans ? or a different rumour.

[IndustryInsider]

All rumours, especially railway related ones, should be taken with a pinch of salt.

[stuving]

All rumours, especially railway related ones, should be taken with a pinch of salt.

Obviously, for rumours about Pullman services, that must be posh (here the opposite of refined) salt.

[devonexpress]

I've been told the opposite more Pullman services to be launched,  and as for that rumor I'd take it as a pinch of salt.

I would certainly welcome more Pullmans, I can remember the good old days of 7 Pullmans a day in each direction to/from the west.

WHICH rumour is to be taken with a pinch of salt ? The one about more Pullmans ? or a different rumour.

The rumor of only 15 seats and only for first class passengers NOTHING has changed on the transfer of Pullman services from HST^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)) to IET^▸ (Intercity Express Train - replacement for HSTs (manufactured by Hitachi in Kobe, Japan)).

[broadgage]

Thanks for the clarification, one must take care not to confuse one rumour with another.