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« Reply #1080 on: September 16, 2015, 20:11:54 » |
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Maybe of interest is that EMT» have today been awarded a franchise extension that would appear to herald the return of the buffet car (as opposed to a trolley parked up in that area, which has I understand been the case for the last couple of years).
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JayMac
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« Reply #1081 on: September 16, 2015, 20:19:29 » |
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I wonder whether a similar regulation in the UK▸ would:
a) do something to help the public perception of profiteering in certain captive retail environments
b) make buffet cars or trolleys more popular, e.g. people buying an additional overpriced item whilst buying their regulated water?
The only thing in the UK that comes close to what you are talking about Brucey is the legal requirement for UK licensed premises (except Northern Ireland) to provide free drinking water on request. UK trains (buffets, shops, trolleys) though are not licensed premises. |
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"Treat everyone the same until you find out they're an idiot."
"Moral indignation is a technique used to endow the idiot with dignity."
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ChrisB
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« Reply #1082 on: September 16, 2015, 20:26:19 » |
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They'd stop selling them....
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Brucey
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« Reply #1083 on: September 16, 2015, 20:45:55 » |
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They'd stop selling them....
The Greek law requires certain prescribed products to be sold, if they already serve food and/or drink. So even if a cheese sandwich is not normally on the menu, it must be available to purchase if they serve any other type of food. |
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« Reply #1084 on: September 20, 2015, 02:56:58 » |
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Going back to the XC▸ hot food, certain trains are pre-loaded with a smaller range of meals (meat/veggie breakfast, salmon, chicken, aubergine), saving the need to pre-order as long as stock is still available. They are in essence a microwaved pre-prepared meal of a decent quality served in a plastic tray for standard and on a plastic plate for first. Better than a microwaved burger or panini? Definitely. Better than freshly prepared food from a kitchen served on proper tableware with proper knives and forks? Absolutely not.
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« Reply #1086 on: October 04, 2015, 16:18:51 » |
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......but why would GWR▸ want to add a loss making facility like a buffet car? It was a commercial decision to get rid of it in the first place, if it was making money, you can be sure it would have been retained!!!  |
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ChrisB
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« Reply #1087 on: October 04, 2015, 17:10:57 » |
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and this para..... The DfT» further claim that if GWR▸ want to add a buffet car facility they would have to apply to the DfT via a business proposal which would have to be evaluated to ensure it is feasible against current plans and contract provisions. This would involve an analysis of the loss of 16 seats in a SET▸ to accommodate the buffet. This contradicts GWRs position who claims that the decision is solely down to the DfT. That says that any proposal requires analysis and agreement from the DfT.....so GWR's stated position is correct - the final decision would be solely the DfTs..... |
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« Reply #1088 on: October 22, 2015, 19:10:19 » |
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This mornings 05:53 Plymouth - London Paddington had a 409 Buffet Car so didn't have a full kitchen meaning no Pullman Breakfast Service... That had to the day I decided to go all the way down to Plymouth on 1C32 and 1C99 Overnight to catch said Pullman Train for a slap up breakfast... GWR▸ have yet to excuse themselves  |
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« Reply #1089 on: October 22, 2015, 20:01:55 » |
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I feel your pain. I know of one crew who travelled up to London and back with a 409xx both times recently. Not best pleased at travelling 400 miles and not a bread roll heated in anger. For those not in the know - the ideal kitchen car for a Pullman is a (working) 407xx. That has the full range of facilities and is what should appear. 402xx and 408xx are variants on that with fewer hobs or ovens which, depending on the chef means you will get a meal but it might be slimmed down - ie remove one of the main courses or only starters and desserts. Often at Paddington sets are swapped to ensure an appropriate kitchen is provided on Pullman services but it is harder at Plymouth and Swansea if there is a late failure. Anything else and you're stuffed (but your stomach won't be). On and thetrout, I had a very nice breakfast on the 05:53 on Tuesday morning.  (You could have waited an hour for the 05:05 from Penzance to come up and fingers crossed that had a proper kitchen) |
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« Reply #1090 on: October 23, 2015, 07:21:21 » |
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This mornings 05:53 Plymouth - London Paddington had a 409 Buffet Car so didn't have a full kitchen meaning no Pullman Breakfast Service... That had to the day I decided to go all the way down to Plymouth on 1C32 and 1C99 Overnight to catch said Pullman Train for a slap up breakfast... GWR▸ have yet to excuse themselves Blimey that's an awful lot of effort & expense for an (ultimately non existent) fry up! Hope your rumbling stomach didn't cause complaints in the quiet carriage! |
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ChrisB
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« Reply #1091 on: October 23, 2015, 09:37:31 » |
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You'll be pleased to hear then that the kitchen in the 800s, 801s & AT300s will all have an identical spec, so assuming everything works, Pullman's will always have the right kit.
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« Reply #1092 on: October 23, 2015, 11:57:11 » |
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But with the downgrade to only 36 first class seats on the new trains, where are dining customers to sit ?
On High Speed Trains (HST▸ )s it was common practice to lay about 29 seats for dining on busy services, if this is to continue on the new trains, that only leaves a handful of seats for non dining first class.
Edit:VickiS - clarifying acronym
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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ChrisB
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« Reply #1093 on: October 23, 2015, 13:09:42 » |
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Or 72 on 2x5car bi-modes, and the same on the 9car 801s. (two sections I believe) - so they'll lay up one section & leave the other.
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Tim
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« Reply #1094 on: October 23, 2015, 13:42:14 » |
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......but why would GWR▸ want to add a loss making facility like a buffet car? It was a commercial decision to get rid of it in the first place, if it was making money, you can be sure it would have been retained!!! I am not sure. I suspect that the economics is marginal with no great loss or great profit either way. And to calculate is almost impossible and will depend on which service is running because the lost 16 seats will only have an impact if there are no spare seats available elsewhere which will be the case on some services and not others. |
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