Changes for Dec TT - track access application

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[paul7575]

Following the withdrawal of those trains currently worked by Stagecoach South Western west of Exeter, the following weekday package of changes will be made to FGW^▸ (First Great Western) services to cover the traffic:
^ 0800 SX Cardiff Central -Taunton is extended to Paignton;
^ 1407 SX Taunton-Cardiff Central starts back from Paignton at 1247 calling additionally at Tiverton Parkway;
^ 0900 SX Cardiff Central -Taunton is extended to Plymouth calling Tiverton Parkway, Exeter St Davids, Newton Abbot, thence all stations to Plymouth;
^ An additional 1748 SX Plymouth-Exeter St Davids service runs;
^ A 1710 SX Exeter St Davids-St James Park service will operate. This then forms a 1739 St James Park - Paignton calling all stations;
^ A 1912 SX Paignton - Exeter St Davids train operates;
^ 1508 SX Plymouth-Newton Abbot (all stations) and 1600 SX Newton Abbot - Plymouth (all stations) trains will operate In conjunction with a 1610 SX Exeter-Plymouth this will provide an enhanced level of Ivybridge calls in the early evening to service student flowsfrom the college; and
^ The 1008 SX Taunton-Cardiff is to start back from Exeter St Davids at 0933 and the 1300 SX Cardiff-Taunton is extended to Exeter St Davids, both calling at Tiverton Parkway.
A similar coverage is provided at weekends;

from:

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%20documents/track%20access/1%20current%20consultations/2009.10.07%20first%20greater%20western%2052nd%20supplemental%20agreemnt%20-%20closing%20date%20for%20responses%2030%20october%202009/draft%2022%20for%20fgw%2052nd%20supp.pdf

IIRC^▸ (if I recall/remember/read correctly), at one stage people were predicting that FGW wouldn't be doing anything as a result of the DfT^» (Department for Transport - about)'s withdrawal of through services?

Paul

[6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01]

A 1710 SX Exeter St Davids-St James Park service will operate. This then forms a 1739 St James Park - Paignton calling all stations;

why??? this is the same as the summer sunday okehampton service why does it start at st james park... its not making up for swt services they dont stop there and central is bidirectional so its not to turn around

[Hafren]

why??? this is the same as the summer sunday okehampton service why does it start at st james park... its not making up for swt services they dont stop there and central is bidirectional so its not to turn around

The SWT^▸ (South West Trains) service will still be running between Waterloo and Exeter (one assumes) - currently it leaves Central at 1735, arriving at St Davids at 1738. So the bi-directional line to Central is occupied at that time, and the new service can't leave St Davids to reverse at Central until after 1738 - assuming there's space for it to wait until then. Which would make the turn-around at Central much tighter. Turning it at Exmouth Junction makes things more robust and flexible.

[paul7575]

In the new timetable, standard hour Up SWT^▸ (South West Trains) departures are at XX26, calling at Central from XX29-30.
Most Down calls at Central are from XX37-39, arr St Davids at XX42, however there is still a 1736 SWT dep from Central but it is still shown as arr 1742.

Paul

[6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01]

why??? this is the same as the summer sunday okehampton service why does it start at st james park... its not making up for swt services they dont stop there and central is bidirectional so its not to turn around

The SWT^▸ (South West Trains) service will still be running between Waterloo and Exeter (one assumes) - currently it leaves Central at 1735, arriving at St Davids at 1738. So the bi-directional line to Central is occupied at that time, and the new service can't leave St Davids to reverse at Central until after 1738 - assuming there's space for it to wait until then. Which would make the turn-around at Central much tighter. Turning it at Exmouth Junction makes things more robust and flexible.

nice one mate makes sence now

[paul7575]

I guess the other potential difficulty this plan overcomes is that for pax from Central towards Paignton (who might have expected to have to change from SWT^▸ (South West Trains) to FGW^▸ (First Great Western) at St Davids) can still have a through service.  'Overlapping' the two services between Central and St Davids shares out the changes, which is also good for pax from SWT origins going through to FGW destinations towards Torbay.

This also presumably avoids everyone on the platform at Central piling onto the terminating SWT for one stop, as pax only going to St Davids for other changes towards the north also have a choice of trains.

Paul

[qwerty]

I guess the other potential difficulty this plan overcomes is that for pax from Central towards Paignton (who might have expected to have to change from SWT^▸ (South West Trains) to FGW^▸ (First Great Western) at St Davids) can still have a through service.  'Overlapping' the two services between Central and St Davids shares out the changes, which is also good for pax from SWT origins going through to FGW destinations towards Torbay.

This also presumably avoids everyone on the platform at Central piling onto the terminating SWT for one stop, as pax only going to St Davids for other changes towards the north also have a choice of trains.

Paul

The old SWT 17.35 ex Central is the major travel home train for commuters for stations to Paignton and is usually wedged.

It's no suprise at all that the  FGW replacement starts at Central.

[6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01]

I guess the other potential difficulty this plan overcomes is that for pax from Central towards Paignton (who might have expected to have to change from SWT^▸ (South West Trains) to FGW^▸ (First Great Western) at St Davids) can still have a through service.  'Overlapping' the two services between Central and St Davids shares out the changes, which is also good for pax from SWT origins going through to FGW destinations towards Torbay.

This also presumably avoids everyone on the platform at Central piling onto the terminating SWT for one stop, as pax only going to St Davids for other changes towards the north also have a choice of trains.

Paul

The old SWT 17.35 ex Central is the major travel home train for commuters for stations to Paignton and is usually wedged.

It's no suprise at all that the  FGW replacement starts at Central.

its just a shame that the west of england line loses its direct services past exeter its nice being able to get on at honiton and get to plymouth/ivybridge without a change
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[TJ]

I understood that the 08:00 from Cardiff and 12:47 return from Paignton were to be loco hauled, possibly with something other than 67s. Anyone know the latest?

TJ

[devon_metro]

All 24 Barton Hill drivers are being trained for passenger workings. (Currently 12 trained) so it's likely to be 67s.

[qwerty]

All 24 Barton Hill drivers are being trained for passenger workings. (Currently 12 trained) so it's likely to be 67s.

More like a certainty. FGW^▸ (First Great Western) will be supplying the conductor only. An Exeter man will book on at 04.00 and travel to BTM^▸ (Bristol Temple Meads (strictly, it should be BRI)) for the first leg to cardiff.

All the lobbying to bring this work in house fell on deaf ears.

[paul7575]

Is that a sure sign that as soon as they possibly can they'll revert to using DMUs^▸ (Diesel Multiple Unit) again, such as cascaded ex LM^▸ (London Midland - recent franchise) 150s?

Paul

[John R]

I think it's generally recognised that loco hauled stock is much more expensive than leasing a dmu or two.  So for those afficianados of loco haulage, seventies stock with tables, and even "guards" waving green flags and the driver sounding the horn, enjoy it whilst you can. It won't last for ever.

 

[Phil Farmer]

Little snippet I found on the SWRG Group this morning - I can't vouch for its acuracy though......

"From the new timetable the 1900 CDF^» (Cardiff - next trains) TAU^» (Taunton - next trains) will run ECS^▸ (Empty Coaching Stock) to Bishops Lydeard rather than hdg back to Barton Hill it will then run from BL back to TAU the following morning to start the day"

[signalandtelegraph]

New Timetable for Exeter - Waterloo Line

http://swt-p2w.hafas.de/cgi-bin/query-p2w.exe/London_waterlooExeter_st_davids.pdf?pathinfo=/en&dwn=75/75wccqewiakq8k8w_1_1.pdf