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Author Topic: 'Rail passengers face Christmas rip-off - exclusive', from the Mirror (6/10/09)  (Read 13280 times)
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« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2009, 19:59:07 »

I wish the train companies would stop pratting about trying to fool us into thinking we'll get cheap travel around Christmas. For one or two lucky ones they might succeed but for most of us in ain't going to happen.

Wouldn't it be easier for everyone if all advance fares were stopped from a week before Christmas until a week after New Year?
We would know what a journey was going to cost without all the hassle of trawling through the advance tickets before being ultimately being disappointed in finding there aren't any available anyway. The trains are going to be full anyway, so what have they got to lose?
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« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2009, 22:58:31 »

one small comfort is that all OP (Original Poster / topic starter) restrictions are lifted over Xmas.
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« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2009, 23:05:02 »

one small comfort is that all OP (Original Poster / topic starter) restrictions are lifted over Xmas.

OP Restrictions?
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« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2009, 23:08:26 »

From our 'Acronyms and Abbreviations' list: 'Off Peak'.  Wink
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« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2009, 09:15:54 »

one small comfort is that all OP (Original Poster / topic starter) restrictions are lifted over Xmas.

Not with all operators on Christmas Eve AM peak period. FGW (First Great Western), SWT (South West Trains), LM (London Midland - recent franchise) and Chiltern's morning restrictions remain. Virgin (to London) and NXEC (National Express East Coast) have lifted theirs. CrossCountry have also lifted the AM peak restriction. This is not a definitive list, I've only checked journeys to London (except XC (Cross Country Trains (franchise))). However it does highlight the TOCs (Train Operating Company) inability to all sing from the same song sheet.
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« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2009, 18:13:38 »

All together, now:

"Oh, tidings of comfort and joy, comfort and joy,
Oh, tidings of comfort and joy."

On the other hand: sadly, perhaps not.  Roll Eyes Sad
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« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2009, 18:15:46 »

The lifting of Christmas restrictions has never applied to the former SR(resolve) area, TTBOMK (to the best of my knowledge).  I think it has only ever been an 'intercity' thing, going back to pre-privatisation...

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« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2009, 22:04:25 »

The lifting of Christmas restrictions has never applied to the former SR(resolve) area, TTBOMK (to the best of my knowledge).  I think it has only ever been an 'intercity' thing, going back to pre-privatisation...

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Maybe it was an 'intercity' thing. Last Christmas FGW (First Great Western) obviously saw themselves as an intercity operator, as they lifted ALL restrictions on Crimbo eve on their long distance trains. This year, Plymouth to Paddington, for example, is obviously seen as a commuter service.
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« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2009, 22:13:15 »

Edit note: Please see http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=5566.0 for the context of the following post.



Fair comment, bignosemac: I'm already moving recent posts here to 'the lighter side' - where I think they belong?

I certainly wouldn't remove them from the forum altogether - I think it's been a rather entertaining (and even educational) off-shoot from the original topic?

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« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2009, 22:20:02 »

Fair comment, bignosemac: I'm already moving recent posts here to 'the lighter side' - where I think they belong?

I certainly wouldn't remove them from the forum altogether - I think it's been a rather entertaining (and even educational) off-shoot from the original topic?

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« Reply #25 on: October 27, 2009, 22:34:34 »

Well, for what it's worth, I've moved a few posts from here to a new topic, at http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=5566.0
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« Reply #26 on: October 27, 2009, 22:48:07 »

So much more interesting than the cra* from the Mirror!
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« Reply #27 on: October 27, 2009, 23:42:55 »

The lifting of Christmas restrictions has never applied to the former SR(resolve) area, TTBOMK (to the best of my knowledge).  I think it has only ever been an 'intercity' thing, going back to pre-privatisation...

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Maybe it was an 'intercity' thing. Last Christmas FGW (First Great Western) obviously saw themselves as an intercity operator, as they lifted ALL restrictions on Crimbo eve on their long distance trains. This year, Plymouth to Paddington, for example, is obviously seen as a commuter service.

I think you'll find that FGW's thinking last year and this year is different simply because last year was a leap year - so December 24 was on a Tuesday. A lot of people - sadly not including myself - appeared to pack up for a week and a half's break on Friday, December 20, so far fewer people were travelling on the 23rd and 24th than will be doing so this year, when most employers will probably be expecting people to turn up for work until at least the Wednesday.

I suspect FGW's intention is to try to nudge as many people as they can into using the post-7pm services out of London on the 23rd, which will be quieter than trains the following morning and afternoon, plus they offer lower fares as a matter of course.
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I think you'll find that FGW (First Great Western)'s thinking last year and this year is different simply because last year was a leap year - so December 24 was on a Tuesday. A lot of people - sadly not including myself - appeared to pack up for a week and a half's break on Friday, December 20, so far fewer people were travelling on the 23rd and 24th than will be doing so this year, when most employers will probably be expecting people to turn up for work until at least the Wednesday.


Ah, but 24/12/08 was a Wednesday and not a Tuesday as you stated. The day on which Christmas Eve falls jumps forward by one in the leap year, not the following year. 24/12/07 was a Monday. 24/12/08 was a Wednesday. This year a Thursday.
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« Reply #29 on: October 28, 2009, 00:47:44 »

Quite right, bignosemac!  Wink

It's somewhat surprising that some people apparently packed up on "Friday 20 December", when they should have been packing up a day earlier - just to save those TOCs (Train Operating Company) all that anguish?

Journalistic licence, perhaps?

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