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« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2009, 15:28:40 » |
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Ah....but break of journey rules usually only allow completing your journey on the following morning after your break. A few weeks hence may be problematical. If your ticket has been 'gripped' on the C to B part of the journey with a date stamp then you may find yourself in trouble. And even if it hasn't been 'gripped' you are still breaking the rules. Quite how this is proved though....
Afraid you're not entirely correct here; this is why... The rules for break of journey depend on whether it's the outward or return portion of a ticket. Generally, the outward portion is valid only for one day; if you cannot reasonably complete your intended journey within one day then you may break it and resume it the following morning, ensuring that you do so before 1200. Equally, in most cases, you could break the journey through choice and complete it the same day, assuming there was no specific restriction applied to the ticket you held. HOWEVER, the return portion of a period return is an entirely different kettle of fish, since it is valid for a month. In this situation you are entitled to break your journey and resume it at any time while the ticket is still valid. So you could quite legitimately stop off and stay with friends/relations for a few weeks on your way home before completing the journey. Or, indeed, in Btline's hypothetical situation, use the B to A portion of the journey some time later. When travelling on an Advance ticket, there are no ifs, no buts, you use the ticket to travel from the point printed to the point printed on the train specified. Any deviation from that renders you liable to pay an excess fare at the very least. I stand corrected, thanks for that blakey. Of course I only got my information about BoJ▸ from a ticket office. I won't say which one so that I can protect the guilty! Can I just double check this. I intend to travel to London Terminals from Bristol for a show in a few weeks and would like the flexibility of a SVR fare rather than APs. I'll travel up to Paddington, no break, on the outward portion. On my return after the show I'd like to stop at a friends in Bracknell for a couple of days, in effect breaking my journey there. Waterloo to Bristol via Reading is, I believe, a permitted route on an 'any permitted' ticket, so I should have no problems stopping in Bracknell? |
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« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2009, 16:00:18 » |
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Assuming the Saver you have is route "any permitted" then I think that should be fine. One thing I'm not absolutely sure about though is how the time restrictions are worked out when you have broken/resumed your journey. I assume they are the same as they would be for the through journey but might be wrong.
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« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2009, 18:23:39 » |
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So surely that means I can use the return portion as many times as I like for a B to A journey within the month!
Yes, it may have had a flick of biro from the C to B section, or even a previous B to A section.
But any guard checking my ticket on the B to A train will see the flick of biro and assume that it was a guard earlier that day on my C to B train.
If the above is true, then they need to sort it out!
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« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2009, 19:00:48 » |
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So surely that means I can use the return portion as many times as I like for a B to A journey within the month!
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« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2009, 20:01:27 » |
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Obviously! But I'm just amazed there isn't some sort of system to prevent this!
I suppose smart ticketing will arrive soon...
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« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2009, 20:32:17 » |
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The Zifa ticket stamper used by some FGW▸ staff (also XC▸ , NXEC▸ , VWC and I'm sure many others) is partially effective at preventing this, as the ticket is cancelled with the date and a train reporting number. However, although I'm not going to spell it out, this isn't completely foolproof. Another problem with them is that FGW at least don't used the quick-drying ink ribbons that are available on thermal tickets so the cancellation code tends to smear.
BR▸ had a similar system whereby tickets were cancelled with a date and three-digit route code, so it was possible to tell on which section of route a ticket had been examined.
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« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2009, 21:57:35 » |
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The Zifa ticket stamper used by some FGW▸ staff (also XC▸ , NXEC▸ , VWC and I'm sure many others) is partially effective at preventing this, as the ticket is cancelled with the date and a train reporting number. However, although I'm not going to spell it out, this isn't completely foolproof. Another problem with them is that FGW at least don't used the quick-drying ink ribbons that are available on thermal tickets so the cancellation code tends to smear.
BR▸ had a similar system whereby tickets were cancelled with a date and three-digit route code, so it was possible to tell on which section of route a ticket had been examined.
Yeah - I worked it out years ago! Oh the money I could save.............and even less than the unspoken, it requires train guards to spend long enough to read the stamp! |
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« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2009, 02:00:57 » |
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As it's in the public domain (and, indeed, examples of this piece of kit are brandished daily by FGW▸ staff!), here is some further information on the Zifa ticket stamper    By the way - I rather like the slightly quirky translation, from the original German text into English: no offence intended!  |
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« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2009, 12:37:57 » |
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The Zifa ticket stamper used by some FGW▸ staff (also XC▸ , NXEC▸ , VWC and I'm sure many others) is partially effective at preventing this, as the ticket is cancelled with the date and a train reporting number. However, although I'm not going to spell it out, this isn't completely foolproof. Another problem with them is that FGW at least don't used the quick-drying ink ribbons that are available on thermal tickets so the cancellation code tends to smear.
BR▸ had a similar system whereby tickets were cancelled with a date and three-digit route code, so it was possible to tell on which section of route a ticket had been examined.
ALL FGW staff are meant to use Ziffa's but some don't, a biro scribble actually means nothing on a ticket, and think it looks so unprofessional! |
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« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2009, 16:14:04 » |
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My most recent trip on the railway:
2 were a clipper both being FGW▸ , third was stamp on XC▸ and smudged as soon as it was returned to my ticket wallet
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« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2009, 18:37:42 » |
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ALL FGW▸ staff are meant to use Ziffa's but some don't, a biro scribble actually means nothing on a ticket, and think it looks so unprofessional!
Couldn't agree more yet virtually every non FGW service I use the ticket gets scribble all over it. What travellers from overseas must think when they see someone scribbling all over their ticket is beyond me. Come on TOCs▸ isn't it time you asked your train crew to use something a bit more professional than I biro to mark a ticket? |
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« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2009, 02:25:02 » |
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The Zifa ticket stamper used by some FGW▸ staff (also XC▸ , NXEC▸ , VWC and I'm sure many others) is partially effective at preventing this, as the ticket is cancelled with the date and a train reporting number. However, although I'm not going to spell it out, this isn't completely foolproof. Another problem with them is that FGW at least don't used the quick-drying ink ribbons that are available on thermal tickets so the cancellation code tends to smear.
BR▸ had a similar system whereby tickets were cancelled with a date and three-digit route code, so it was possible to tell on which section of route a ticket had been examined.
ALL FGW staff are meant to use Ziffa's but some don't, a biro scribble actually means nothing on a ticket, and think it looks so unprofessional! I looked into getting a Zifa, as ScotRail policy is no clippers and to use an OHP marker which I thought was unprofessional. Quoted ^250 for a standard one with just 0-9 and a dot, and the best part of ^500 for one that couple provide a reporting number too! I'd imagine that any TOC▸ these days would probably chose not to replace any that have broken or gone astray. |
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« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2009, 03:29:13 » |
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I made similar enquiries some years ago and nearly fell off my chair when they quoted. I assume the TOCs▸ get a significant bulk discount, because they do still seem to be getting procured in enormous quantity - NXEC▸ had a new batch and XC▸ are replacing the old Virgin red ones with a different model. I've never liked the biro scrawl; agree entirely that it just looks unprofessional. Here in Yankee-land all the conductors, even on poxy little commuter trains, have their shiny chrome ticket punches which seem to be treated like a badge of office and wielded with some pride! They also have a vast array of different shapes (which I assume allows anyone at the company who was so inclined and had enough spare time, to figure out who punched what)...see http://www.bvtoolco.com if you don't believe me! readytostart, I may have an alternative for you - there's a small independent supplier somewhere in Staffordshire who supplies punches in various shapes for a few pounds. They catch the bits so you won't get evil looks from the train cleaners! See http://www.ticketrolls.co.uk/category.php?cat_id=4. Or, if you want to be truly authentic, there's a pair of old BR▸ nippers going on Ebay that punch a number 6, the old BR Scottish Region cancellation used by guards: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/B-R-Pair-of-No-6-Nippers_W0QQitemZ150376164754QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Collectables_Railwayana_RL?hash=item23031e2d92&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14. |
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« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2009, 14:28:23 » |
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I made similar enquiries some years ago and nearly fell off my chair when they quoted. I assume the TOCs▸ get a significant bulk discount, because they do still seem to be getting procured in enormous quantity - NXEC▸ had a new batch and XC▸ are replacing the old Virgin red ones with a different model. I've never liked the biro scrawl; agree entirely that it just looks unprofessional. Here in Yankee-land all the conductors, even on poxy little commuter trains, have their shiny chrome ticket punches which seem to be treated like a badge of office and wielded with some pride! They also have a vast array of different shapes (which I assume allows anyone at the company who was so inclined and had enough spare time, to figure out who punched what)...see http://www.bvtoolco.com if you don't believe me! At the risk of sounding a saddo, over the last few years I've invested in a fair selection of fiskars clippers (cushioned handles for hard workers!), usually seasonal, so leaf shapes for Autumn, Xmas tree shapes for winter, etc. I think the reason that SR‡ banned clippers was when they introduced automatic gates, tickets were getting rejected because of nips on the magnetic stripes, instead of just telling us not to clip on the stripes we were told not to use them at all, not that I listened! My latest purchase is a pre inked stamper complete with pay number, depot and TOC. I think they main thing that bumps up the price of Zifas is the amount of personalisation needed for each one, not a problem for old inter-city operators who didn't have too many different letters in their headcodes, usually just the old BR▸ regions, i.e. V for Western, O for Southern, but the regional operators tend to have many more. This and the majority of local services having just day tickets probably negated the need for hi-tech ticket cancelling. |
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« Reply #29 on: November 02, 2009, 20:28:20 » |
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SWT▸ Exeter - Waterloo always a scribble!
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