Ticket for sale

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[andrew2332]

I have an open-ended first class return ticket valid for one year valid on any Great Western return journey. If you're interested in buying it send me an email at xxxxx@xxxxx.xxxx .

Edit by Graham - I have removed the email address from this post - see follow up post later in the thread. Note that members are still able to reach Andrew by personal message, but I suggest they read the follow ups with regards to the onward sale or rail tickets first.

[basset44]

Hi,

Dont think you can do this

Basset

[moonrakerz]

"The sale of all UK^▸ (United Kingdom) train tickets (including Eurostar tickets) by unauthorised persons is not permitted under the railway byelaws, made under Section 46 of the Railways Act 2005. Therefore, unless you are an authorised seller as described below, you may not list train tickets on eBay.

In Ireland, the sale of all train tickets (including LUAS and DART tickets) is not permitted under the relevant railway bylaws.

An authorised person means someone acting in the course of his or her duties who is an employee or agent of the relevant train operator, or any other person authorised by the train operator or a person operating any railway assets.

Any person who is authorised as described above must make it clear in the listing that he or she is authorised to sell train tickets."

[grahame]

Hi, Andrew, and welcome to the forum.

I'm pretty sure that you can get a refund for what you paid for the ticket, perhaps minus an admin fee, but to sell it independently to a third party is in effect acting as a ticket tout, and not allowed.   Tickets are technically "non-transferrable" so anyone who uses a ticket that's been bought from an unauthorised reseller risks being denied boarding / penalty fared, etc.

[grahame]

I have an open-ended first class return ticket valid for one year valid on any Great Western return journey. If you're interested in buying it send me an email at xxxxx@xxxxx.xxxx .

Having read (and considered) this thread - which is public readable - I took the unique decision to remove the poster's email address.  Tickets can only be sold by authorised agents; that's not something that you or me often think about - but having had it brought to my attention I cannot leave a post which, all be it inadvertently, encourages anyone who happens to find the page into a less that 100% allowed deal.   If it turns out that the particular deal is a valid one for some reason, I'll owe Andrew a huge apology.

[super tm]

No you are quite correct.  A ticket may only be used by the person for whom it has been bought. It is not transferable.

[grahame]

... a ticket may only be used by the person for whom it has been bought ...

Ah, thanks, super tm - I really like that wording as it solves a lot of mysteries for me. 

I had often wondered how the sale of (example) a groupsave 3 could EVER be legal, as three tickets are sold in a single transaction and two are then transferred to someone other than the purchaser to cover their journey.  Similarly, my Trowbridge friend and his wife and children, headed out for a day at Weymouth, aren't required to queue individually at the ticket office and hand over their money one by one.

[TerminalJunkie]

No you are quite correct.  A ticket may only be used by the person for whom it has been bought. It is not transferable.

...unless it's a carnet!

[Ollie]

Or a season ticket assigned to a company rather than a person

[Btline]

Ok, it's against the rules.

But if I were to buy the ticket, how would I be denied boarding/penalty fared?

[inspector_blakey]

You almost certainly would not. However, the fact that you are very unlikely to get caught doesn't make breaking the rules right. This site isn't in the business of facilitating or condoning breaching the National Rail Conditions of Carriage or any of the other terms/conditions under which rail tickets or free passes are issued. Full stop.

[Btline]

I realise that, and I'm not advocating breaking the rules!

I was just curious about this statement: "so anyone who uses a ticket that's been bought from an unauthorised reseller risks being denied boarding / penalty fared, etc." and wonder whether there was a clever system to catch such people.

[JayMac]

I realise that, and I'm not advocating breaking the rules!

I was just curious about this statement: "so anyone who uses a ticket that's been bought from an unauthorised reseller risks being denied boarding / penalty fared, etc." and wonder whether there was a clever system to catch such people.

The system goes something like this.....you tell the forum when and where you plan to use the ticket, which service you plan to use, and then someone here rats on you to an RPI^▸ (Revenue Protection Inspector (or Retail Price Index, depending on the context))!!

[6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01]

.... its not the ticket machine bandit who finally found a use for his stolen fgw machine is it??? only joking noone would be that silly