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« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2020, 09:56:10 »

Initial reports say that the leading two vehicles derailed, and one struck a building. Two drivers were killed. The train was a very early one from Milan south via Bologna, with hardly anyone on it at 05:30.

The location is a maintenance depot, where there are loops off the high-speed line, one of which connects to the depot tracks, and the building struck was part of this depot.
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« Reply #31 on: February 07, 2020, 13:00:06 »

I was expecting more detail to be reported, and to some extent it has. This from LBC has one of those premature-looking statements from a prosecutor, that “the switch was placed in a position it shouldn’t have been”:
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The state railway Freccia Rossa train went off the rails on the heavily used Milan-Bologna line while travelling at nearly 300kph (180mph), Civil Protection chief Angelo Borrelli told state radio.

Maintenance work had been carried out on a nearby track switching area less than two hours before the derailment, prosecutor Domenico Chiaro told reporters at a news conference.

The train that derailed was the first train to pass through the area after the work was done and “the switch was placed in a position it shouldn’t have been”, he said.

“We’re looking into the hypothesis of human error that could be linked to the maintenance work” as a possible cause for the accident, Mr Chiaro said, stressing that no conclusions had been reached yet.

Sabotage or a terror attack have been ruled out, the prosecutor said, and investigators have recovered the train’s black box recording.

“The (engine of the) train rammed a series of obstacles” before finally stopping, Mr Chiaro said, including a nearby building used for storing railway equipment and tools.

The engine car ended its fatal trajectory flipped around 180 degrees.

State railways said the two fatalities were train engineers.

Prefect Marcello Cardona said another rail worker was seriously injured.

Among the 27 passengers hurt in the derailing, one was seriously injured, authorities said.

“The engine car kept going, hundreds of metres, at high speed,” Mr Cardona told reporters at the crash site near the town of Ospedaletto Lodigiano.

Mr Chiaro said the crash occurred at about 5.50am local time (4.50am GMT), several minutes after a scheduled stop as the train travelled from Milan south to Bologna.

Police said the train had about 30 passengers.

Only one passenger was in the first car, a business-class car, that ended up on its side.
Police walk out of a carriage of a high-speed train after it derailed in the countryside near the town of Lodi, northern Italy
The train derailed in the countryside near the town of Lodi, northern Italy (Antonio Calanni/AP)

The train passenger cars further back remained upright.

One passenger, interviewed by state TV, likened the moment of the crash to being on a rollercoaster for 20 seconds.

Authorities said it was possible that the engine car automatically decoupled from the cars behind it as part of a safety mechanism during derailments.

This really was a very lucky escape for all those on the train except the two in the leading power car. If that was derailed when it hit a turnout at 300 km/hr, it would have been pretty brutal, as can bee seen by the front end of the next vehicle. The power car pulled that off the rails too and then detached, and set off into the lineside depot, going through an engineering train, and smashed into a building with extreme violence.

This can be seen in an overhead video in this ABC report. The collision made a hole in the building, destroyed the front end of the vehicle, which then spun round and finished behind the building.

The rest of the train can be seen to have run between two tracks, with its first carriage on its side, for about 500 m. That is very unusual - the natural tendency of a derailed train is for the leading vehicle to run off to the side, until the extra drag turning it (or an obstruction like OLE (Overhead Line Equipment, more often "OHLE") supports) makes it jackknife. Once that has happened the whole train will usually concertina or stop very fast and be largely wrecked. So it really was lucky that it all kept running straight and mostly upright.

It seems to have stayed close beside a cable route, resembling a fence. I can only guess that something about the leading carriage's dynamics pushed it towards that barrier, holding everything in line.

The more I see it, the more miraculous that looks.
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« Reply #32 on: February 07, 2020, 22:29:18 »

There's been some very detailed explanations coming out in Italy already - see for example railforums (which has several pictures). I'll just put here a couple of salient points and corrections.

The end vehicle is not a power car; there are four motor carriages so the mass distribution is pretty uniform. The leading vehicle may have started to roll and to spin from from the start.

The work overnight was specifically to the points that were set wrongly when the train arrived. Its content was to remove the actuator and clamp in the straight-on position, and confirm this. Receipt of the confirmation, plus the absence of any adverse detection inputs, allowed the train to run at line speed. That must be giving infrastructure and maintenance managers (and others) everywhere nightmares.
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« Reply #33 on: April 09, 2020, 12:58:36 »

It's an ill wind ... As a result of the current travel restrictions in Italy, no-one was seriously injured by this spectacular bridge collapse (though I bet the driver of that red van got a bit of a surprise). In this case the railway link is that the defunct station of Caprigliola-Albiano stands right at the east end of the bridge (which isn't in the town of Aulla, despite reports).

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Bridge collapses in Italy, newest crumbling infrastructure
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A huge bridge section has collapsed in Tuscany, the latest case of Italy's infrastructure crumbling after years of neglect.

Police and fire crews roped off the access road to the bridge over the Magra River in Albiano Magra in the province of Massa Carrara, according to Carabinieri footage of the scene Wednesday.

Given Italy's nationwide coronavirus lockdown, there were only two trucks on the provincial road at the time. Italian news reports said one of the drivers was hospitalised.

This aerial photograph provided by the Italian Carabinieri police shows the collapsed bridge in Aulla.

The Anas road agency had sent inspectors to the bridge last year after a crack developed following heavy rains. The section was cleared for further use, Italian agency ANSA said.

The mayor of Aulla, Roberto Vallettini, had written to Anas flagging that heavy trucks were repeatedly using the two-lane bridge because of nearby road closures

I won't ask "what is it with these Italian bridges?" - I think we know the answer, pretty much.
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« Reply #34 on: May 23, 2021, 15:51:42 »

Reports state that a cable car fell from a considerable height onto a wooded hillside.
Early reports suggest 12 lives lost.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57219737

WARNING link contains images and video of the scene which some may consider inappropriate, but acceptable to quote IMHO (in my humble opinion) as already in the public domain.

Edited to add that later reports state 13 lives have been lost.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2021, 22:21:56 »

Still later reports state 14 lives lost.

Reports as to the proximate cause of the accident are very varied.

Some reports suggest that the cable broke.
Others suggest that the cable remained intact, but that the cable car became detached from the cable.
Yet others state that the intact cable with cable car still attached, fell to the ground due to the failure of a support.

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It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
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« Reply #36 on: May 26, 2021, 08:10:59 »

This morning, reports that it was not "just an accident". The operators disabled the emergency brake (clamp) on the car, so that when the tractor cable broke the car accelerated down the support cable towards the next tower. There (in an unknown order) it derailed and struck the tower, falling to the ground. The brake was disabled rather crudely with a piece of metal jammed into the jaws, to avoid doing maintenance work at a time when no money was coming in. Several arrests have been made.
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« Reply #37 on: June 19, 2021, 19:36:01 »

That I find particularly shocking.
Things break, and accidents can never be entirely eliminated, but to deliberately disable a safety feature and leave it like that for some time is simply inexcusable, and arguably criminal.

A brief and "one trip only at reduced speed" disabling of the emergency brake might be acceptable to avoid leaving passengers stuck in mid air. But to carry on running like that is simply wrong.
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A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #38 on: June 20, 2021, 09:46:04 »

This Canadian, who is a very experience engineer gives some good incite to the probable cause and effects.

Caution he inclined to use 'fruity industrial' language, so perhaps watch after the watershed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCB1xbkn1Ps
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« Reply #39 on: June 20, 2021, 23:46:38 »

That I find particularly shocking.
Things break, and accidents can never be entirely eliminated, but to deliberately disable a safety feature and leave it like that for some time is simply inexcusable, and arguably criminal.

A brief and "one trip only at reduced speed" disabling of the emergency brake might be acceptable to avoid leaving passengers stuck in mid air. But to carry on running like that is simply wrong.

I've seen the CCTV (Closed Circuit Tele Vision) footage that RAI broadcast. Shocking. And more so knowing that this wasn't an unforeseeable accident, but one caused by deliberate negligence.
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« Reply #40 on: May 09, 2024, 22:27:48 »

I was watching highlights of Wednesday's stage in the Giro d'Italia, second only to the Tour De France in cycle stage races. The race went parallel to railway tracks for some distance, and for a while a train in "Giro pink" livery was trundling alongside the riders (that is, at 30mph).

Googling "giro d'italia railway train 2024" produced images of a 2022 version.

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