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« Reply #1710 on: July 12, 2024, 21:52:42 »

Lord Hendy of Richmond Hill CBE holds a PSV licence .............he will not be the same as Lord Adonis, in regards building new High Speed railways.

He is unlikely to price people off of rail services, it will be more where does the Government investment go, more importantly what investment can the Metro Mayors and County / Local Authorities bring to rail

He owns two Routemasters, used in the annual scheduled number 23A services to Imber. He doesn't own a train, but I think he will prove a good leader for rail generally - as head of NR» (Network Rail - home page), I am sure he had to bite his lip and do what he was told to do by the Minister on occasion. As Minister, he won't have to do that. He might not be the same sort of visionary as Andrew Adonis, but they sing from the same hymn book. Time will tell.
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« Reply #1711 on: July 17, 2024, 18:22:54 »

Any incoming new government is going to hold a review of HS2 (The next High Speed line(s)) - as of all big spending programmes. Mostly this is done invisibly, but for HS2 I expect something more formal and announced. Its remit is pretty obvious: what's left of HS2 does not make a lot of sense - consider the options for continuing northwards, so as to give most of the benefits of the planned phase 2 at an affordable cost.

Labour confirm they won't be resurrecting it.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1924361/hs2-future-confirmed-kings-speech
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« Reply #1712 on: July 17, 2024, 21:19:07 »

Using the ex-Hs2 Bill to provide East-West connectivity around Crewe instead
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« Reply #1713 on: July 19, 2024, 20:49:56 »

Using the ex-Hs2 Bill to provide East-West connectivity around Crewe instead

Which I suppose could result in HS2 (The next High Speed line(s)) trains going superfast from London to Birmingham on their own line, then along the WCML (West Coast Main Line) to Crewe, then superfast to Manchester's newly extended Piccadilly Station. How long before someone suggests building the missing bit of high speed line?
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« Reply #1714 on: July 19, 2024, 20:53:49 »

I don't think there's any intention of making that Crewe - Manchester an HS (High Speed (short for HSS (High Speed Services) High Speed Services)) line - just more direct that currently - to speed up Liverpool - Manchester - York services
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« Reply #1715 on: July 21, 2024, 20:10:27 »

Job cuts and further questions over Euston..............

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/hs2-back-in-the-spotlight-amid-job-cuts-and-euston-woes/ar-BB1qmLlq?ocid=BingNewsVerp
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« Reply #1716 on: July 22, 2024, 14:44:47 »


HS2 (The next High Speed line(s)) job cuts - hardly seems surprising to be cutting land-acquisition related roles if they are effectively not going to be the ones building anything further, suspect that in the fullness of time HS2 will all be rolled back into NR» (Network Rail - home page)/GBR (Great British Railways), with NPR being a "hero" project for a new GBR in the meantime.   

Euston - no-one's going to sign-off on redevelopment without agreeing what number of platforms to build and who's going to pay for it anyway. It won't be finished this Parliament anyway so wouldn't be surprised if they held off to make it another GBR hero project and in the meantime gave Mayor Khan Crossrail 2 as an incentive to tow the line. 
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« Reply #1717 on: July 23, 2024, 12:51:38 »

National Audit Office report: HS2 (The next High Speed line(s)): update following cancellation of Phase 2.

From the summary document:

"The government’s decision to cancel Phase 2 created uncertainties in a range of complex areas, particularly as HS2 Ltd and other rail organisations had not been involved with the decision."


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https://www.nao.org.uk/reports/hs2-update-following-cancellation-of-phase-2/
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« Reply #1718 on: July 23, 2024, 15:04:16 »

Article on HS2 (The next High Speed line(s))'s current predicament from New Civil Engineer magazine. Apologies if this suddenly becomes paywalled.

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https://www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/transport-secretary-working-at-pace-on-plan-for-hs2-euston-station-22-07-2024/
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« Reply #1719 on: July 26, 2024, 11:22:25 »

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No properties bought up for the northern leg of HS2 have been sold since the project was scrapped, the Department for Transport (DfT» (Department for Transport - about)) has confirmed.

Phase two of the high-speed rail line linking the West Midlands to Manchester was cancelled by former Prime Minister Rishi Sunak in October, amid rising costs.

Transport minister Lord Peter Hendy of Richmond Hill told the House of Lords he understood no sales had been made.

It came in response to concerns about rail capacity between Handsacre in Staffordshire, where HS2 joins the West Coast Main Line, and Crewe.

Speaking on Tuesday, Lord Hendy said: "The prioritisation of the High Speed Rail (Crewe - Manchester) Bill is recognition that east-west connectivity is immediately necessary for growth, jobs and housing."

He added that the government would "bear in mind" the issue of connectivity north of Handsacre.

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Source: BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page)
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« Reply #1720 on: July 27, 2024, 15:25:55 »

A taster from today's Times, the rest of which is probably behind a paywall.

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Birmingham HS2 (The next High Speed line(s)) station to be completed with four unused platforms
More than half of Curzon Street’s high-speed platforms will be redundant, but it would cost more to pare back the scheme than to finish it
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Friday July 26 2024, 7.45pm, The Times


Birmingham will be left with a vast “white elephant” station after Rishi Sunak’s decision to scrap large swathes of the HS2 project.

Sunak announced in October that the second phase of the project, connecting Birmingham and the north of England, would be axed.

However, work on the new seven-platform Birmingham Curzon Street station was so far progressed by the time the decision was made that it will be cheaper to continue as originally planned than to pare back the scheme.

To precis, Curzon Street was scheduled to have seven platforms, but only three will now be needed. The contract to build was signed in 2021. It makes no sense to build all seven, but even less sense to pay the company to do nothing. So all seven platforms will be built, but four will not have rails or signalling or anything else that hadn't been cast in granite. Similarly, the magnificent viaduct between tunnel and station will be built as planned, branching into 3 double and one single track sub-viaducts, two of which will have no track. The viaduct could be redesigned, but that would take 18 months, cost millions, and have a knock-on effect for everything else. The design for the rolling stock is also to remain as-is, even though they will now be running on the WCML (West Coast Main Line). They are 60 metres shorted than a Pendolino and a lot less tilty, meaning they will carry fewer passengers at a slower speed than existing traffic. This apparently translates into 17% fewer seats for passengers heading north of Birmingham.

I can offer a possible use for the four spare platforms, to house the new Sunak Museum of Chaotic Government. That would be a logical adjunct to the planned Johnson Museum of Chaotic Government, to be sited in a now-derelict former off-licence near Downing Street. We could use some of the money he saved by cancelling the bit heading for the Unlevelled Lands north of the bullring. And if someone decided it was worth doing one day, it would be easy enough to convert it into the midway call of a high-speed rail link from London to Manchester.
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« Reply #1721 on: July 27, 2024, 23:19:48 »

I am quite sure the empty platforms will soon become an urban jungle with lots of Buddleia. The ajacent areas between the tracks at Proof house and Grand Junctions are completely overgrown and it will soon spred.
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« Reply #1722 on: July 28, 2024, 12:35:57 »

Article on HS2 (The next High Speed line(s))'s current predicament from New Civil Engineer magazine. Apologies if this suddenly becomes paywalled.

Mark

https://www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/transport-secretary-working-at-pace-on-plan-for-hs2-euston-station-22-07-2024/

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« Reply #1723 on: July 28, 2024, 22:06:09 »

I am quite sure the empty platforms will soon become an urban jungle with lots of Buddleia. The ajacent areas between the tracks at Proof house and Grand Junctions are completely overgrown and it will soon spred.

What? Build new platforms and not have a maintenance plan to keep them spick and span?
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« Reply #1724 on: July 29, 2024, 16:32:00 »

HS2 (The next High Speed line(s)) wasn't specifically referred to in the Chancellors speech, so we'll need to see the detail.
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