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« Reply #225 on: August 01, 2011, 22:19:58 » |
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Ho, ho....it aint easy on an iphone in a moving train...
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« Reply #226 on: August 01, 2011, 22:53:31 » |
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"A clear conscience laughs at a false accusation."
"Treat everyone the same until you find out they're an idiot."
"Moral indignation is a technique used to endow the idiot with dignity."
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Chafford1
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« Reply #227 on: October 30, 2011, 13:26:46 » |
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An article in today's Sunday Times suggests that Maria Eagle, the Shadow Transport Secretary, will announce a new preferred route for High Speed Two tomorrow, with a station near Heathrow and a route paralleling the M40 and Chiltern Lines with a Chiltern tunnel bypassing High Wycombe.
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ChrisB
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« Reply #228 on: October 30, 2011, 15:36:33 » |
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I think you need to say tgat you lifted this directly from ukr newsgroup, rarher than from the Sunday Times?
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« Reply #229 on: October 30, 2011, 16:28:24 » |
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I think you need to say tgat you lifted this directly from ukr newsgroup, rarher than from the Sunday Times?
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JayMac
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« Reply #230 on: October 30, 2011, 16:32:41 » |
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I think you need to say tgat you lifted this directly from ukr newsgroup, rarher than from the Sunday Times?
Why? It appears that it was the same person who started the thread over at uk.railway. What's so wrong with cutting and pasting the same text? |
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"A clear conscience laughs at a false accusation."
"Treat everyone the same until you find out they're an idiot."
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« Reply #231 on: October 30, 2011, 16:59:46 » |
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'appears' being the operative word....
Thanks Chafford1 for confirmation. Be intresting to see where this goes - possible that DfT» about to make some announcement & Labour jumped gun to take credit
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« Reply #232 on: October 30, 2011, 17:06:53 » |
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Reading this article is rather depressing. I had hoped that the previous cross-party consensus on the route would hold. As it is, a revised route is likely to delay the project if there's a change in Government and even increase the chances of the whole thing being shelved.
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« Reply #233 on: October 31, 2011, 01:22:43 » |
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That's weird. When Labour proposed the current route, it was the Tories that suggested going via Heathrow. Now the other way round?  Just build the damn thing! |
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« Reply #234 on: October 31, 2011, 03:04:26 » |
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And make sure it travels via Worcester. And that the trains run non-stop from there to London whilst avoiding damaging any Cotswolds scenery... |
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« Reply #236 on: October 31, 2011, 13:21:47 » |
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Unfortunately as often happens the Adonis asked the wrong question and therefore got the wrong answer. I still hope that someone spots this before spending too much money.
The West Midlands are irrelevant in journey time saving and therefore will not generate sufficient additional revenue to pay even a sensible proportion of the cost. A route parallel to the M1 with stops at E Mids and Sheffield with extensions to Manchester, Leeds and Newcastle would be more sensible. Scotland could be added eventually. Sheffield is a huge catchment with historically poor train links to London (they only got 2 tph recently). This would generate far more revenue and Bham is now well served with 3 operators and good journeys.
The M1 route avoids the Chilterns. Heathrow is also a distraction - links to the GW▸ mainline with services on Crossrail will do most of what is needed. Replacing internal flights is not needed - GNER▸ killed off London-Leeds and Virgin have almost eliminated London-Manchester. This HS2▸ would do the same for Newcastle and Edinburgh/Glasgow. Anyway "Boris Island" is probably a much better long term solution.
It is a pity that the cheerleaders for HS2 cannot spot any of this!
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« Reply #237 on: October 31, 2011, 13:27:16 » |
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HS2▸ isn't, and never was, about time savings to the West Midlands, it is about providing increased capacity for both long distance and regional services, with the route to Birmingham being intended, from the outset, to be the first phase a of Y shaped network serving the places you mention. This is abundantly clear from the proposals...
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« Reply #238 on: October 31, 2011, 13:46:35 » |
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HS2▸ isn't, and never was, about time savings to the West Midlands, it is about providing increased capacity for both long distance and regional services, with the route to Birmingham being intended, from the outset, to be the first phase a of Y shaped network serving the places you mention. This is abundantly clear from the proposals...
So why go there - the Manchester traffic can go on HS2 freeing capcity for W Mids. I know what the proposals say but it doesnt make them right!
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« Reply #239 on: October 31, 2011, 13:55:19 » |
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I'm not convinced you've read the proposals properly... most of the trains won't go to Birmingham at all they will bypass it and head north, initially following the existing lines then moving to dedicated high speed lines once the full Y network is built. But by serving Birmingham as well it will enable currrent fast services to divert to the high speed line, thereby freeing up a lot of capacity on the most congested section of the west coast main line. While there is no doubt some scope to move the route around a bit, the current proposals maximise the number of fast trains diverted from the existing tracks, thereby maximising the capacity that can be freed up for other services.
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