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« Reply #1485 on: September 28, 2023, 21:29:38 » |
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I think this sums it up rather well:  Funny you might post that, but I was reminded in another thread about the "Basque-Y" of high-speed lines in north-east Spain where they've basically built most of a new standard-gauge route but they can't agree how the lines will reach the terminus stations so no tracks, overheads or signalling yet. So its not just us that can't finish things. |
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« Reply #1486 on: September 28, 2023, 22:25:53 » |
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Funny you might post that, but I was reminded in another thread about the "Basque-Y" of high-speed lines in north-east Spain where they've basically built most of a new standard-gauge route but they can't agree how the lines will reach the terminus stations so no tracks, overheads or signalling yet. So its not just us that can't finish things.
Gareth Dennis pointed out the other day that those who compare costs per mile of HS2▸ with LGV▸ and other high speed lines miss the point that the major termini and their approaches are separate projects so those very large costs do not feature in the cost per mile figures. Think about the difficult and slow approaches to Brussels Midi from the North. |
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« Reply #1487 on: October 02, 2023, 16:48:33 » |
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« Reply #1488 on: October 02, 2023, 16:56:37 » |
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My guess is any HS2▸ announcement will be Wednesday afternoon is Sunak speech, although he may not say much because the speaker of the house of commons has warned the Government about announcing changes to policy out side the House of Commons |
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« Reply #1489 on: October 02, 2023, 17:11:26 » |
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Number 10 denying (still) that a final decision has been made,
So yep, Wednesday when they can cynically announce it & run away home.
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« Reply #1490 on: October 02, 2023, 18:04:38 » |
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Number 10 denying (still) that a final decision has been made,
So yep, Wednesday when they can cynically announce it & run away home.
That, or Super Rishi to the rescue. |
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« Reply #1491 on: October 03, 2023, 09:27:50 » |
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Number 10 denying (still) that a final decision has been made,
So yep, Wednesday when they can cynically announce it & run away home.
That, or Super Rishi to the rescue. It's all a bit Machiavellian, isn't it? I'm wondering if they've erected this problem so it can be knocked-over in an attempt to make the other side a bit silly for yelling about something that "never" existed. Politicos and their advisers, of all stripes, are just all wrong 'uns these days. Not worthy of trust, or power, for that matter. And the media aren't bothered in anything other than cheering one side and booing the other, with the occasional scandal thrown-in. Policy and principles don't get a look-in |
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« Reply #1492 on: October 03, 2023, 14:33:45 » |
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It does seem a daft fight to pick. The source of the speculation is the Prime Minister's office. Whatever happens will upset a lot of people, most of whom had got used to the fact that HS2▸ is being built. Any changes will be expensive, one reason why the cost has ballooned so far, with contracts needing to be paid off. It also runs the risk of overshadowing the rest of the Conservative Party conference when it starts, because no government minister is asked about anything else when they show their faces.
Today's Times has Birmingham to Manchester cancelled, but the line starting at Euston, and fifty quid per town money for paint. That will turn Northern Powerhouse into a Northern Brick something-house.
Edit: I've just been informed that the conference has been running for a couple of days. I wondered why Nigel Farage looked so angry on telly, even more so than usual.
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« Reply #1493 on: October 03, 2023, 14:46:34 » |
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It also runs the risk of overshadowing the rest of the Conservative Party conference when it starts, because no government minister is asked about anything else when they show their faces. Indeed. Is there another story that the government wants to be overshadowed?? |
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« Reply #1494 on: October 03, 2023, 17:47:10 » |
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It also runs the risk of overshadowing the rest of the Conservative Party conference when it starts, because no government minister is asked about anything else when they show their faces. Indeed. Is there another story that the government wants to be overshadowed?? And may be that was the game plan .................. I revise my guess to the announcement will be in the Autumn Statement and will be more of a postponement like Euston |
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« Reply #1495 on: October 03, 2023, 21:17:13 » |
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Indeed.
Is there another story that the government wants to be overshadowed??
I was wondering that, although it doesn't seem to make much sense. Leaks about forthcoming policy changes usually come from the office of the minister or Prime Minister concerned, to either test the water or get someone else in trouble while retaining an aura of deniability. If it was meant to do either of those, it has failed badly. The only other thing that needs covering up may be the total lack of progress in everything else government is supposed to be doing, except possibly inflation. Hence ministers talking about the opposition's plans to tax or ban meat, have seven bins, add an extra head to all unicorns, etc. |
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« Reply #1497 on: October 04, 2023, 07:24:29 » |
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Interesting brief from GWR▸ yesterday on the GWR engineering works and plans for works and service at Old Oak Common. Lots of disruption over coming years, platforms on all four lines, but it sounds unlikely that everything (especially long distance) will stop there. Especially if (!!) it only goes as far as Birmingham, why stop trains from South Wales, Bristol, Taunton, Oxford, Reading there when there are other direct trains from those places to Birmingham? |
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« Reply #1498 on: October 04, 2023, 08:20:30 » |
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Capacity? The real reason for HS2▸ .
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« Reply #1499 on: October 04, 2023, 08:38:43 » |
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Capacity? The real reason for HS2▸ .
Maybe, but isn't our rail industry showing on days like today that we can cope with very few trains running? |
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