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« Reply #1290 on: January 29, 2023, 12:40:22 » |
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Has anyone yet suggested a diversion of HS2▸ through London ... Manchester Piccadilly ... Manchester Airport ... Birmingham Interchange ... Old Oak Common ... London Paddington ... Bond Street ... Tottenham Court Road ... Farringdon ... Liverpool Street ... Stratford ... Ashford ... Lille ... Paris Nord Suggestion for 1st April announcement? But yet the tunnels are gauged for full size trains, and it will get passengers to the heart of the West End and The City, change on the same platform in Central London for Docklands. Lots of other connections along the way. |
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« Reply #1291 on: January 29, 2023, 14:57:29 » |
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HS2▸ is at such an advanced stage that scrapping it could lose the Conservatives the next election, and delivering HS2 could just help them keep office in the next election but one.
Given support from the public for the construction of HS2 runs at around 25%, with a similar number indifferent, I very much doubt either of those scenarios apply. I also don't think it'll be "scrapped" but there is likely to be further trimming, and rather than deceased felines, it's likely to be dressed up as more money being made available for the NHS/Education etc etc. |
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« Reply #1292 on: January 29, 2023, 15:03:34 » |
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Manchester Piccadilly ... Manchester Airport ... Birmingham Interchange ... Old Oak Common ... London Paddington ... Bond Street ... Tottenham Court Road ... Farringdon ... Liverpool Street ... Stratford ... Ashford ... Lille ... Paris Nord Hmmm. Is there a connection between Stratford (domestic) & Stratford International? You're going to need it! |
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« Reply #1293 on: January 29, 2023, 15:37:43 » |
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Manchester Piccadilly ... Manchester Airport ... Birmingham Interchange ... Old Oak Common ... London Paddington ... Bond Street ... Tottenham Court Road ... Farringdon ... Liverpool Street ... Stratford ... Ashford ... Lille ... Paris Nord Hmmm. Is there a connection between Stratford (domestic) & Stratford International? You're going to need it! You would need one at Old Oak Common as well! |
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« Reply #1294 on: January 29, 2023, 17:09:47 » |
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Hmmm. Is there a connection between Stratford (domestic) & Stratford International? You're going to need it!
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« Reply #1295 on: January 29, 2023, 17:50:38 » |
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Damn sharp curves on that might cause the odd problem!
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« Reply #1296 on: January 29, 2023, 17:55:32 » |
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Damn sharp curves on that might cause the odd problem!
Initial logic might suggest that. Yet there are some very wriggly lines just outside St Pancras on ... err ... HS1▸ . Modern trains do not need the bowling alley of Brunel's original London to Bristol line. (( Or were you thinking of the corners on the DLR▸ which, I grant you, are a bit sharp )) |
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« Reply #1297 on: January 29, 2023, 18:03:20 » |
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I was responding to JayMac's suggestion of the DLR▸ !
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« Reply #1298 on: January 30, 2023, 12:07:12 » |
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Manchester Piccadilly ... Manchester Airport ... Birmingham Interchange ... Old Oak Common ... London Paddington ... Bond Street ... Tottenham Court Road ... Farringdon ... Liverpool Street ... Stratford ... Ashford ... Lille ... Paris Nord
Actually I'd always thought that building a tunnel between Old Oak Common and Stratford International, terminating domestic services at Ebbsfleet might be a good idea. 1) Ease pressure on Euston 2) Tons of room at Ebbsfleet to turn trains around 3) Tons of room at Ebbsfleet to build a larger international terminal providing end-on connections to Europe 4) With Elizabeth Line extension to Ebbsfleet, better connections for south-east London 5) Better connections from S E England to the rest of the country. |
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« Reply #1299 on: February 02, 2023, 11:33:42 » |
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Has anyone yet suggested a diversion of HS2▸ through London ... Manchester Piccadilly ... Manchester Airport ... Birmingham Interchange ... Old Oak Common ... London Paddington ... Bond Street ... Tottenham Court Road ... Farringdon ... Liverpool Street ... Stratford ... Ashford ... Lille ... Paris Nord Suggestion for 1st April announcement? But yet the tunnels are gauged for full size trains, and it will get passengers to the heart of the West End and The City, change on the same platform in Central London for Docklands. Lots of other connections along the way. Yes, it was in the plan at one time to link Euston to HS1▸ however the good folk in Camden objected to and even larger area of Camden being flattened to accommodate the link line along side the North London Line. There was a proposal to link OOC▸ to Stratford but that was ruled out on cost. Whilst the a direct service from anywhere outside of London St Pancras International to Europe would be a fantastic service to have, while some in the UK▸ have an obsession about "controlling our boarders" and not wanting to be part of the Schengen area this means changing trains and going through Boarder Control at St Pancras and perhaps Ebbsfleet and Ashford if they ever reopen, the cost of Border Control at other stations for perhaps the 1 or 2 trains a day would be prohibitive |
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« Reply #1300 on: February 08, 2023, 06:08:25 » |
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« Reply #1301 on: February 08, 2023, 07:01:55 » |
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Not being an expert in these things, but doesn't that largely negate the original purpose? |
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« Reply #1302 on: February 08, 2023, 08:24:34 » |
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Not being an expert in these things, but doesn't that largely negate the original purpose? Ministers are planning on cutting HS2▸ services and train speeds in an attempt to drive down the cost of the heavily delayed project, it has been reported.
The government is said to be considering cutting the number of trains from 18 to 10 an hour and reducing the trains’ maximum speeds.
The Department for Transport has refused to rule out reducing the frequency and speed of the high-speed rail network, saying that they “do not comment on speculation”. HS2 - although entitled "High Speed" was / is really about capacity so cutting maximum speed does not negate the purpose, but it does negate the marketing hype of the "High Speed" name. Of course, the slower that trains run, the more physical trains you need to have the same frequency of service. If you reduce capacity from 18 to 10 trains per hour, no doubt you can reduce signalling system costs - but what proportion of the cost is that? You are certainly not cutting the cost of the project to 10/18ths, so the cost per service when running at capacity is increased isn't it? Of course, if the capacity isn't actually needed ... and then you could have 10 long trains rather than 18 shorter ones. |
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« Reply #1303 on: February 08, 2023, 08:59:44 » |
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'...it has been reported...' by who exactly? These frequent unattributed anti-HS2▸ reports just serve to reinforce my view that certain sections of our news media are a complete and utter shower.
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« Reply #1304 on: February 08, 2023, 09:20:06 » |
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....by a competitor media outlet & we're just covering our arses in case there's any truth in it....
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