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« Reply #255 on: October 08, 2012, 16:52:13 »

I'm somewhat cynical about these u-turns. I get the impression the government gets us all prepared for eye-watering rises and then shows us how nice they really are by lowering the increase. It is a welcome announcement but I fear it has little to do with railway finances and more to do with political expediency.

At least with a 2 year announcement, there won't be all the usual RPI (Revenue Protection Inspector (or Retail Price Index, depending on the context))+3% headlines late next summer, with all the negative messages about rail fares that sends out, before the (far less dramatic) actually it'll only be RPI+1% stories hit the press later in the year.  An announcement to be applauded I say.
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« Reply #256 on: October 08, 2012, 16:57:17 »

So the title of this thread is no longer a correct statement after all... 

(BTW (by the way) we had a discussion about this last night in an existing thread - perhaps they could be tidied up please?)

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« Reply #257 on: October 08, 2012, 17:17:53 »

Moderator note: In the interests of clarity and continuity, recent posts on the subject of regulated rail fare rises have been merged here with existing topics. bignosemac.


At least with a 2 year announcement, there won't be all the usual RPI (Revenue Protection Inspector (or Retail Price Index, depending on the context))+3% headlines late next summer, with all the negative messages about rail fares that sends out, before the (far less dramatic) actually it'll only be RPI+1% stories hit the press later in the year.  An announcement to be applauded I say.

As I said, it is welcome, although I wouldn't go so far as to applaud the decision. What narks me somewhat is, on the one hand you have George Osbourne saying another ^10 billion needs to be cut from the welfare budget, yet on the other hand the DfT» (Department for Transport - about) have found some money (down the back of the sofa?) to reduce their take from the farebox. The reduced take will probably lead to more taxpayer subsidy, particularly as recommendations by McNulty seem no nearer to being implemented.

"Funded by savings in the DfT budget" is what the DfT are telling us. Yet later in the same press release in the 'Notes to Editors' they say:

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The independent McNulty Rail Value for Money study published in 2011 highlighted that while our railways are performing well operationally, they cost too much to run. If we can make substantial reductions to the cost of running the railways and the improvement in the wider economic situation permits, we can bring to an end the era of above inflation fare rises in average regulated fares, while continuing to expand capacity on our rail network.

So first they say the lower increase in regulated rail fares is down to savings already made and then they say, 'If we can make substantial reductions' and (if) 'the wider economic situation permits'.

Just seems totally confused to me. Whatever happened to politicians making a policy decision and sticking with it? Dave and Co would do well to remember the words uttered by Mrs T, "You turn if you want to...."
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« Reply #258 on: October 21, 2012, 21:49:21 »

From the Bristol Post:

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Rail campaigners urge Bristol MPs to fight fare rises

Train campaigners met at Bristol Temple Meads this morning to urge Bristol MPs to use their position to campaign on fare rises.

Members of Friends of Suburban Railways (Fosbr) have produced 10 'De-Railed' cards which will be sent to the 10 Bristol MPs.



Each card carries a message stating their disappointment that no Bristol MP contributed to a major parlimentary debate about public transport last month.

The message also points out that MPs that only one of the four MPs who pledged in the Post to help improve public transport voted for the motion, proposed by Maria Eagle, Shadow Secretary for Transport, which called on the Government to restore the one per cent above inflation cap on annual fare rises from 2013 and 2014.

Teresa McGill, of Fosbr, said: "Passengers have been bearing the brunt of massive fare increases for years ^ what are our MPs doing about this? We feel very let down by the MPs and I think we represent the views of many hundreds of thousands of rail users. We will send out these cards to the MPs and very much look forward to hearing their responses."

Councillor Gus Hoyt (Green, Ashley) said: "We were told this would be the greenest government ever and here they are penalising those who wish to use public transport. They are clearly going in the wrong direction."
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« Reply #259 on: October 21, 2012, 22:08:48 »

So first they say the lower increase in regulated rail fares is down to savings already made and then they say, 'If we can make substantial reductions' and (if) 'the wider economic situation permits'.

Just seems totally confused to me. Whatever happened to politicians making a policy decision and sticking with it? Dave and Co would do well to remember the words uttered by Mrs T, "You turn if you want to...."

Presumably if the economic situation permits DfT» (Department for Transport - about) will have to pay out less in cap and collar on a number of franchises so they will save on their budget.
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