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Author Topic: Great Western Main Line electrification - ongoing discussion  (Read 1135630 times)
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« Reply #1845 on: July 08, 2016, 15:44:01 »

ChrisB, how do you sign up for these updates?  I can't find any info on the NR» (Network Rail - home page) website.

Thanks.
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« Reply #1846 on: July 08, 2016, 15:46:57 »

Via a paper sign-up sheet st a briefing, in this case.

If you drop me an IM with your name & email address, I can ask the person that sends thdm out to add you....I think. Worth a try
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« Reply #1847 on: July 09, 2016, 00:56:41 »

I confess that 3m took me by surprise.  I thought he must have meant 3 feet, but no, electricity jumping  3m (or half the height of a giraffe to use a non-SI unit favoured by NR» (Network Rail - home page)) is a key part of NR's safety message to children.  See this schools worksheet for an example...
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0ahUKEwi546ePquHNAhWHKsAKHYebDSEQFggiMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.networkrail.co.uk%2FWorkArea%2FDownloadAsset.aspx%3Fid%3D30064786520&usg=AFQjCNFp2vLwL_BrrRY4SwJ3Yo-4thP18A&sig2=Vg0Gcilrpok2xw8-RANZUQ

I assume that there is a rounding error and a safety margin added in somewhere.  The key points are that it jumps and it jumps further than you think.

Hmm. I followed this link. One of the exercises shows a TV, phone charger and desk lamp. It then asks:
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See if you can guess which one uses the most electricity

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A TV (42” HD) carries 240 volts (i.e. it uses the most electricity). A mobile phone charger carries 24 volts (i.e. it uses the least
electricity). A desk lamp (with 60 Watt bulb) carries 120 volts.

 Huh  Huh  Huh  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #1848 on: July 09, 2016, 09:02:44 »

I don't believe it.

Volta Ampere and Watt must be spinning in their graves. Is this the level of science we are  teaching our kids?

We'll certainly be able to compete outside the EU» (European Union - about) with this  level of scientific knowledge.
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« Reply #1849 on: July 09, 2016, 09:06:25 »

On the main topic had a trip back from Bristol (TM(resolve)) to Slough last night.

Surprised: hadn't realised that there are almost no visible signs of work  West of Swindon except for piles stacked in a couple of yards.
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« Reply #1850 on: July 09, 2016, 09:19:11 »

Thanks ET, for the explanation. Purely for interest - I can't figure out if the "jump" distance is proportionate to the voltage. If it is, would the values be different with the autotransformer setup, and an effective 50kV, than for a simple 25kV catenary?

3 metres seems a very sensible thing to tell young children - and grown ups for that matter. My own boyhood experiments on conductivity of various materials in various states, conducted with an electric cattle fence and lengths of grass and straw of varying wetness, led to a short sharp shock rather than anything serious. I'm sure the curious mind is present in modern-day children still, at least some of them, and the message must be to take absolutely no chances with the electrics on the railway.

"Grown-ups" have been known to do daft things, like driving across a level crossing in a lorry with an aerial on top, or walking under power lines with a long carbon-fibre fishing rod. Blindingly obvious after the event, of course.

Yes the AT system is 50kV between the ATF (auto transformer feeder wire) and the catenary both of which are 25kV to earth, therefore the electrical clearances and safety distances are the same.


It is extremely unlikely for a power arc at 25kV to "jump" 3 metres but that would need to be initiated by almost direct contact and the atmospheric conditions would have lend themselves to ionisation, and finally the protection schemes (circuit breaker trips) would clear the fault before the arc got established over that distance.

The rule of thumb electrical clearance in air for 25kV is 600mm, however there are reduced clearances down to 150mm in the Thameslink tunnels in the Kings Cross area.

The railways and the ORR» (Office of Rail and Road formerly Office of Rail Regulation - about) take a lot of care to keep people away from live OLE (Overhead Line Equipment, more often "OHLE"), before any new scheme is energised a screening and protection walkout is done 
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« Reply #1851 on: July 09, 2016, 10:02:01 »

Thanks ET, I'll get the hang of this one day. Because of a change of schools, and the modular nature of the physics O-level course, I was not actually taught the basics of electricity, doing magnetism and Newton's laws twice instead. I found it so fascinating though that I taught myself from the book, and still ended up with my only Grade 1 result, but the practicalities of two 25kV feeds to earth coming from the same transformer are slow to dawn on me!

O, that I had found history and latin so equally absorbing. Still, Sic Transit Gloria Swanson, as they say.
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« Reply #1852 on: July 09, 2016, 11:22:21 »

On the main topic had a trip back from Bristol (TM(resolve)) to Slough last night.

Surprised: hadn't realised that there are almost no visible signs of work  West of Swindon except for piles stacked in a couple of yards.

There are around 30 uprights in place west of Wootton Bassett junction, all but 4 on the down line side.
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« Reply #1853 on: July 09, 2016, 12:07:27 »

Network Rail confirm in their Oxford area e-update that IEP (Intercity Express Program / Project.) testing between Reading & Didcot commences 16 July

Possibly this train:  http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/U35547/2016/07/16/advanced
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« Reply #1854 on: July 09, 2016, 14:39:39 »

What would they be using to do the test?

This does come down from Derby earlier in the day:
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/U35546/2016/07/16/advanced
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« Reply #1855 on: July 09, 2016, 15:02:20 »


There are around 30 uprights in place west of Wootton Bassett junction, all but 4 on the down line side.

Must have missed them eating my free fruit cake! 2 pieces!
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« Reply #1856 on: July 09, 2016, 18:16:06 »

What would they be using to do the test?

This does come down from Derby earlier in the day:
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/U35546/2016/07/16/advanced

Possibly this? Used to be known as test coach Mentor, for testing OLE (Overhead Line Equipment, more often "OHLE"), based at RTC Derby.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ews60002/10473767754

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« Reply #1857 on: July 09, 2016, 19:25:51 »

What would they be using to do the test?

This does come down from Derby earlier in the day:
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/U35546/2016/07/16/advanced

Possibly this? Used to be known as test coach Mentor, for testing OLE (Overhead Line Equipment, more often "OHLE"), based at RTC Derby.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ews60002/10473767754

(Pic courtesy of Mathew Bailey)




Mentor has been broken for nearly 2 years or up until a few weeks ago when I wanted to book it for a run.
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« Reply #1858 on: July 09, 2016, 19:37:06 »

Saw this poster at Paddington



Most of it is commonsense, but I'd would not have considered balloons - not that I regularly carry one anyway!
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« Reply #1859 on: July 09, 2016, 20:55:16 »

I don't believe it.

Volta Ampere and Watt must be spinning in their graves. Is this the level of science we are  teaching our kids?


So must John Ambrose Fleming, in a left-hand direction, naturally.
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