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« Reply #180 on: July 09, 2011, 10:42:53 » |
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Something to think about.
From my Information Source, the Sleepers now run most Nights with all berths Full, and the Day Cars could really do with another day car.
If First did lose the Next Franchise, or drop the Sleepers from the Next franchise, it would be in the Interest of any other TOC▸ to run the Night Train as an Open Access service!
We could end up with a New operator on the greater Western, & First still running the Sleepers.
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« Reply #181 on: July 09, 2011, 17:19:06 » |
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From my Information Source, the Sleepers now run most Nights with all berths Full, and the Day Cars could really do with another day car.
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« Reply #182 on: July 09, 2011, 18:32:04 » |
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Just because they are full doesn't mean an open access version could ever be profitable. For FGW▸ it is just part of the overall franchise, where packed commuter trains balance out quiet branch lines.
Even without detailed figures I just cannot believe it would survive as a stand alone service.
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« Reply #183 on: July 09, 2011, 19:22:00 » |
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I think the sleeper is safe for the foreseeable future. FGW▸ were told to take it out of the current franchise but they came up with an option that kept it going. Even if the sleeper no longer runs you will still need a service from Penzance to Exeter in the evening and a corresponding service from Exeter to Penzance on the morning.
The crunch for the sleeper will come when the rolling stock is life expired.
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« Reply #184 on: July 10, 2011, 17:37:28 » |
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Simple answer to the clapped out 57's is to hire in 67's.
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« Reply #185 on: July 10, 2011, 18:17:34 » |
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And as for the sleeper coaches themselves, then one would hope that when new stock is required an order will be placed for carriages for both the Caledonian and Night Riviera. Politically, I think it highly unlikely the Caledonian will ever be binned, so that might have repercussions for ensuring the Night Riviera survives as well.
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« Reply #186 on: July 10, 2011, 18:30:17 » |
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And as for the sleeper coaches themselves, then one would hope that when new stock is required an order will be placed for carriages for both the Caledonian and Night Riviera. Politically, I think it highly unlikely the Caledonian will ever be binned, so that might have repercussions for ensuring the Night Riviera survives as well.
I agree with what you are saying, hopefully if any new loco hauled crriages are ever ordered maybe some sleeper stock can also be ordered. does the government still have the designs for those nightstar carriages which we sold to canada? |
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« Reply #187 on: July 10, 2011, 18:36:27 » |
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At that point there might even scope to introduce (or reintroduce) other services - say complete the triangle with services from Plymouth to the North West or Scotland.
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« Reply #188 on: July 10, 2011, 20:40:55 » |
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I would certainly use a sleeper service from the west country to scotland. maybe a penzance to aberdeen service as part of the crosscountry franchise
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« Reply #189 on: July 10, 2011, 21:05:52 » |
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I would certainly use a sleeper service from the west country to scotland. maybe a penzance to aberdeen service as part of the crosscountry franchise
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« Reply #191 on: July 11, 2011, 00:06:58 » |
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And as for the sleeper coaches themselves, then one would hope that when new stock is required an order will be placed for carriages for both the Caledonian and Night Riviera. Politically, I think it highly unlikely the Caledonian will ever be binned, so that might have repercussions for ensuring the Night Riviera survives as well.
I think if HS2▸ happens that will be the end of the caledonian sleeper |
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« Reply #192 on: July 11, 2011, 02:12:38 » |
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And as for the sleeper coaches themselves, then one would hope that when new stock is required an order will be placed for carriages for both the Caledonian and Night Riviera. Politically, I think it highly unlikely the Caledonian will ever be binned, so that might have repercussions for ensuring the Night Riviera survives as well.
I think if HS2▸ happens that will be the end of the caledonian sleeper but also a source of spare stock for ours |
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« Reply #193 on: July 11, 2011, 05:00:43 » |
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I think if HS2▸ happens that will be the end of the caledonian sleeper
HS2 is never going to reach Fort Bill or Inverness. Even with HS2 as far as Edinburgh/Glasgow, the Highlands are still going to be 7 hours plus from London. That would still make an overnight service a viable option. |
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« Reply #194 on: July 11, 2011, 14:16:53 » |
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I think many of us will be long since gone from this earth by the time HST▸ gets to anywhere in Scotland - if it ever does!
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