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« Reply #1875 on: May 30, 2024, 17:18:01 »


I do think we should have a degree of sympathy for Rishi over this - it may well be that this is a special re-enforced back pack fitted with a bullet proof lining to save him from being stabbed in the back now (or later) by people who have been close to him but feel he has let them down in some way and are perhaps looking to usurp his position.   

£750? That’s chicken feed, Macron is protected by £8k umbrellas.

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When things got heated at a local market northwest of Paris, demonstrators started throwing tomatoes at Macron, but the French Secret Service shielded him with £8,000 Kevlar bullet-proof umbrellas.

https://zambianobserver.com/chaos-as-french-secret-service-rush-to-protect-president-emmanuel-macron-with-8000-umbrella-after-hes-pelted-with-tomatoes-following-his-re-election/

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« Reply #1876 on: May 30, 2024, 17:34:47 »

I do think we should have a degree of sympathy for Rishi over this - it may well be that this is a special re-enforced back pack fitted with a bullet proof lining to save him from being stabbed in the back now (or later) by people who have been close to him but feel he has let them down in some way and are perhaps looking to usurp his position.   

... as happened to Boris Johnson, when Michael Gove (at least metaphorically!) stabbed him in the back, withdrawing support at the last moment.  Roll Eyes

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« Reply #1877 on: May 30, 2024, 21:15:45 »

Not unexpected during an election campaign but Sunak's next mode of transport from Cornwall was a chartered helicopter. This hasn't gone down well in some quarters.
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« Reply #1878 on: May 31, 2024, 06:00:29 »

Not unexpected during an election campaign but Sunak's next mode of transport from Cornwall was a chartered helicopter. This hasn't gone down well in some quarters.

Not surprising, helicopters are expensive and burn a lot of fuel. Useful for medical and other emergencies but routine use should be discouraged. Climate emergency ?
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #1879 on: May 31, 2024, 09:22:58 »

Not unexpected during an election campaign but Sunak's next mode of transport from Cornwall was a chartered helicopter. This hasn't gone down well in some quarters.

Local TV (Thames Valley, or TeleVision, depending on context) showed him exiting the sleeper at Penzance - with him saying "It was an experience"
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« Reply #1880 on: May 31, 2024, 12:14:55 »


I do think we should have a degree of sympathy for Rishi over this - it may well be that this is a special re-enforced back pack fitted with a bullet proof lining to save him from being stabbed in the back now (or later) by people who have been close to him but feel he has let them down in some way and are perhaps looking to usurp his position.   

If he's going to be stabbed in the back, it will have to be a decent knife - Global at the very least, preferably in a quality presentation case.

I couldn't care less what price clobber the PM and future PM wear. Neither is a pauper, and if they want to help the economy by paying more VAT (Value Added Tax) on clothing than I do, fine by me. Other people on their salary dress similarly, and the normal daytime outfit of suit and tie invariably costs a packet for any front bench politician of any colour.
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« Reply #1881 on: May 31, 2024, 16:24:19 »

Sleepless night for those travelling tonight...............


21:45 Penzance to London Paddington due 05:08
Facilities on the 21:45 Penzance to London Paddington due 05:08.
This is due to the train for this service having broken down.

Additional Facilities Information;

Due to a resourcing issue we are unable to operate this evenings Sleeper service between Penzance and London Paddington.

We have arranged for this service to be operated by one of our regular Intercity Express Trains which will offer a Standard and First Class seating service only. There will be no accommodation facilities.
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« Reply #1882 on: May 31, 2024, 17:52:04 »

Sleepless night for those travelling tonight...............


21:45 Penzance to London Paddington due 05:08
Facilities on the 21:45 Penzance to London Paddington due 05:08.
This is due to the train for this service having broken down.

Additional Facilities Information;

Due to a resourcing issue we are unable to operate this evenings Sleeper service between Penzance and London Paddington.

We have arranged for this service to be operated by one of our regular Intercity Express Trains which will offer a Standard and First Class seating service only. There will be no accommodation facilities.

Good job this fifn't happen the other way on Tuesday.
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« Reply #1883 on: May 31, 2024, 20:43:40 »

Not unexpected during an election campaign but Sunak's next mode of transport from Cornwall was a chartered helicopter. This hasn't gone down well in some quarters.

Not surprising, helicopters are expensive and burn a lot of fuel. Useful for medical and other emergencies but routine use should be discouraged. Climate emergency ?

A politician's choice of transport is never going to please everybody. Even the humble bicycle has its critics, given the huge outlay of energy in mining the metal and forging the steel, the colonial history of rubber for tyres, and the extinction-level threat to us all posed by a can of 3 in 1. A helicopter is a pragmatic tool in the life of a senior politician or royal, giving greater security than a motorcade and saving precious time. David Cameron began his premiership walking to Parliament, but gave in when he realised how many police had to be deployed compared to when he went by bulletproof ministerial car. Whatever one may think of the individual, the cost purely in financial terms of a senior minister being attacked far outweighs that of a chartered chopper. So what were the alternatives?
Car - would have to be followed by at least two others for advisors, a police escort, plus coaches for the press pack. Several hours in transit, during which he can't be anywhere else. Effectively a full day out, which for a minister during an election campaign is a no-no.
Train - Mr Sunak cleverly sneaked in the journey down without anyone twigging, thus managing a sleep. He could hardly catch the delayed 1750 back to Paddington once the cat was out of the bag, though. He would need close protection, aides, advisors etc with him, and probably a BTP (British Transport Police) presence on every platform along the route. There would be a possibility of a conversation such as "I'm sure we can reach a peace deal, Mr Biden/Netanyahu/Putin, but I'm about to enter Whiteball tunnel."
Don't go to Cornwall - might as well write the headlines yourself - "PM SNUBS COUNTY AGAIN - Local man says he's outraged (we think that's what he said)". Forget it.
Private plane - unless it's Grant Shapps and his US-registered Saratoga which could manage Lands End airport, it would have to be from Newquay, and presumably to RAF (Royal Air Force) Northolt or London City. That adds additional steps, including through London traffic, which would lose the time gained by the higher speed of a fixed wing craft. A business jet would be more expensive than a helicopter. Which leaves:
Helicopter - expensive, noisy, but point to point and out of reach of all but the most determined miscreant. From the cost, deduct three single 1st-class fares from Penzance to Paddington at £224.40 each, and it isn't too bad after all.
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« Reply #1884 on: May 31, 2024, 21:17:40 »

From the cost, deduct three single 1st-class fares from Penzance to Paddington at £224.40 each, and it isn't too bad after all.

..and these days you don't even need a first class ticket to guarantee a solo berth.
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« Reply #1885 on: June 01, 2024, 08:39:52 »

Good job this didn’t happen the other way on Tuesday.
I’m sure there would have been an alternative mode of transport that flies on standby to take the PM down to Cornwall the following morning had the sleeper been canned.
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« Reply #1886 on: June 01, 2024, 11:25:30 »

Good job this didn’t happen the other way on Tuesday.
I’m sure there would have been an alternative mode of transport that flies on standby to take the PM down to Cornwall the following morning had the sleeper been canned.

The helicopter he flew back on wasn't taken down by truck. It will have been chartered by Conservative party HQ (HeadQuarters), and probably used for some of the hangers-on for the outbound leg. It is just possible that one of the Cornish charter firms would have been used.
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« Reply #1887 on: June 15, 2024, 11:09:18 »

This morning's sleeper arrival from London was over 90 minutes late after problems near Redruth.   The loco developed problems and was declared a failure. 

At one stage plans were formulated to use the 08 shunter from Long Rock to rescue it but that would have taken an hour each way.   However eventually the train was able to limp into Redruth station to let passengers off.  The stock finally reached Penzance just before 10am.
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« Reply #1888 on: June 15, 2024, 11:59:59 »

This morning's sleeper arrival from London was over 90 minutes late after problems near Redruth.   The loco developed problems and was declared a failure. 

At one stage plans were formulated to use the 08 shunter from Long Rock to rescue it but that would have taken an hour each way.   However eventually the train was able to limp into Redruth station to let passengers off.  The stock finally reached Penzance just before 10am.
I take it the shunter(s) are speed limited then - sort of like road tractors.
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« Reply #1889 on: June 15, 2024, 12:02:35 »

I am not sure about speed limited - in that any artificial restriction is needed.   They are designed for working on depots and have a top speed of 15-20mph at full whack.
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