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« Reply #1590 on: December 08, 2020, 17:15:21 »

With franchising now dead, any decision on whether it should continue of not will be in the hands of the DfT» (Department for Transport - about) (or their successor in the form of some kind of national rail body that's being mooted) and within the management contracts they prescribe.
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« Reply #1591 on: December 08, 2020, 22:26:19 »

Trying to book for early February, and struggling. 
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« Reply #1592 on: December 15, 2020, 01:56:47 »

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14/12/20 21:45 Penzance to London Paddington due 05:04 will be terminated at Reading.
It will no longer call at London Paddington.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
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« Reply #1593 on: December 15, 2020, 03:53:34 »

A connecting service via Reading must be most inconvenient.
Presumably sleeper passengers are expected to alight promptly on arrival at Reading, rather than remaining in bed until a more sensible hour at Paddington.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #1594 on: December 17, 2020, 16:35:59 »

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Facilities on the 23:45 London Paddington to Penzance due 08:00.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

Additional Facilities Information

Will be formed of a High Speed Train set without any sleeping berths being available.

<pedant>Surely an IET (Intercity Express Train), and not a Castle?</pedant>
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« Reply #1595 on: December 17, 2020, 16:51:42 »

I think that they have started to call IETs (Intercity Express Train) "high speed trains" on the grounds that they ARE capable of the same speeds as a proper HST (High Speed Train).
A cynic might suspect that "IET" has become a toxic brand that is best not mentioned.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #1596 on: December 17, 2020, 17:28:39 »

GWR (Great Western Railway) claim the sleeper is running and bookable again, but the daily journeycheck advice says that the sleeper will be replaced by a """high"" speed" train each day. so they are continuing to let people book sleeper berths with no intention of actually running the sleeper train?
I wonder what its like trying to sleep on a BRIGHT hitachi train? do the lights even dim or turn off?  Huh
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« Reply #1597 on: December 17, 2020, 17:59:43 »

With franchising now dead, any decision on whether it should continue of not will be in the hands of the DfT» (Department for Transport - about) (or their successor in the form of some kind of national rail body that's being mooted) and within the management contracts they prescribe.

But the sleeper was a "franchise" requirement - in the SLC (Service Level Commitment) - so it always was a DfT decision. That may have resulted from discussions with the TOC (Train Operating Company), but no doubt the controller within DfT (of whatever shape) is still likely to consult within the industry before setting the service for future contracts.
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« Reply #1598 on: December 17, 2020, 18:40:49 »

GWR (Great Western Railway) claim the sleeper is running and bookable again, but the daily journeycheck advice says that the sleeper will be replaced by a """high"" speed" train each day. so they are continuing to let people book sleeper berths with no intention of actually running the sleeper train?
I wonder what its like trying to sleep on a BRIGHT hitachi train? do the lights even dim or turn off?  Huh

Is it every night or just tonight it is replaced?  I cannot see anything about other days only today.
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« Reply #1599 on: December 18, 2020, 07:03:16 »

Just wondering if the two threads ((this one and http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=24328.15)) on the sleeper service could be merged into one, perhaps under a "Sleeper Service" heading.
Problems, amendments or praise could be under the one thread.
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« Reply #1600 on: December 18, 2020, 18:10:41 »

  Shocked   Sleeper  cancelled in both directions tonight !
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« Reply #1601 on: December 18, 2020, 18:18:05 »

  Shocked   Sleeper  cancelled in both directions tonight !

Earlier today they were replaced by IETs (Intercity Express Train) - seems that plan isn't now possible either.
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« Reply #1602 on: December 18, 2020, 22:09:28 »

  Shocked   Sleeper  cancelled in both directions tonight !

Earlier today they were replaced by IETs (Intercity Express Train) - seems that plan isn't now possible either.

Indeed.....interesting to know what "alternatives" will be offered.

23:45 London Paddington to Penzance due 07:50
23:45 London Paddington to Penzance due 07:50 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
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The decision has been taken to cancel the Night Rivera Sleeper tonight, due to wide spread crew shortages after a Covid-19 outbreak amongst Great Western Railway staff.
Any customers with pre-booked tickets for the sleeper will be contacted with alternative measures offered.
For any further questions and enquiries please contact Great Western Railways Customer Services'.
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« Reply #1603 on: December 18, 2020, 22:23:09 »


... interesting to know what "alternatives" will be offered.


Also interesting to know how many customers are involved.

Putting my old (hospitality, not rail) customer service shoes on, and assuming that the numbers involved are not huge, I can imagine multiple alternatives - all very different from the initial plan, but some will suit some customers, and others will suit others.
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« Reply #1604 on: December 19, 2020, 12:54:40 »

Sleeper services now cancelled until the Christmas break.

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Due to a large number of positive COVID-19 cases among our on-board colleagues, we have taken the difficult decision to cancel the Night Riviera Sleeper service for the rest of the year.

If you have already booked a ticket directly with GWR (Great Western Railway), we will contact you over the next couple of days to arrange a refund. If you have booked through another company, you should contact them directly.

Services will resume on Sunday 3 January.
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