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« Reply #1515 on: February 23, 2020, 13:27:58 » |
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Does anybody know why is the Night Riviera is starting/ terminating at Plymouth rather than Truro during the current enginering work further west?
I understand it would need to return to Plymouth for housekeeping, but wouldn't a Truro start /finish offer a better customer experience late at night/ early morning?
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« Reply #1516 on: February 23, 2020, 21:41:06 » |
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Hi
Does anybody know why is the Night Riviera is starting/ terminating at Plymouth rather than Truro during the current enginering work further west?
I understand it would need to return to Plymouth for housekeeping, but wouldn't a Truro start /finish offer a better customer experience late at night/ early morning?
I have wondered too ... but can only guess. I suspect would have been operationally difficult - not enough capacity for a locohauled train to terminate, wait while snoozing passengers wake and get off and run around ... with additionally another train or two perhaps stored overnight 'cos it can't get from LongRock to start service. |
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« Reply #1517 on: February 23, 2020, 22:02:35 » |
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Is there loco run round facilities? Capacity? Time to run round?
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« Reply #1518 on: February 25, 2020, 07:38:30 » |
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Thanks for your thoughts.
I thought a run round was possible at Truro, could be wrong.
Perhaps it was the lack of staff. The nearest shunter would be Pnz or Plymouth or hire in from DBS» at St Blazey?
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« Reply #1519 on: March 05, 2020, 15:20:45 » |
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I may have just jinxed the Down sleeper for next Wednesday night. I haz orange cardboard for a trip to a signalling briefing in Bodmin.
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« Reply #1520 on: March 07, 2020, 09:43:22 » |
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Separate issues affecting both sleeper services overnight. The down service left London Paddington nearly three and a half hours late after a fresh loco had to be sent from Reading. It arrived in Penzance nearly 90 minutes behind time. Meanwhile the up service was held up after leaving Taunton due to a signal failure and was almost an hour late into London. Wonder what Ben Fogle made of it? https://www.instagram.com/p/B9aOzzTHa74/?igshid=ky00zcyslq51 |
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« Reply #1521 on: March 10, 2020, 18:20:51 » |
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« Reply #1522 on: March 14, 2020, 13:59:54 » |
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Does anybody know why the current curtailed Sleeper service commences/terminates at Plymouth rather Truro? A Truro start/finish would offer a better customer experience perhaps.
The issue with Truro as a start/finish point for the "Beds" when the Cornish Main is closed beyond Truro. First the empty Stock of the down sleeper in the morning would have to be Run Round, occupying both up and Down platform lines causing delays to other services before returning to Plymouth for servicing, the same problem arises in the evening when the empty stock arrives to form the Up "Beds" Now if Platform 4 was still in use at Truro, then the sleeper might be able to run into Truro but shunting the stock would still present a problem. |
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« Reply #1523 on: June 22, 2020, 10:40:56 » |
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Night Riviera to start running again Thursday and Friday nights only from 25 June 2020, but no sleeper berth accomodation: https://www.gwr.com/plan-journey/journey-information/on-board/night-riviera-sleeperFrom 25 June we will start to run an overnight service again on Thursdays and Fridays only, in both directions.
For the first three weeks we won’t be selling cabins, just seats.
After this, we plan to increase the frequency, and start offering cabins, on a gradual basis.
When customers arrive, they will see that the train includes a sleeper carriage and the café. These won’t be used but are there to help keep colleagues up to date with their training. We recommend that you bring drinks and snacks with you.
Services will show in online journey planners as an overnight train, rather than a sleeper. |
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« Reply #1524 on: June 22, 2020, 11:12:16 » |
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Interesting they are started with seated accommodation only.
Caledonian Sleepers closed their seated coaches early on and have been running a limited service to/from Glasgow/Edinburgh and Inverness with only berths available.
They are planning to increase services in July.
I assume those travelling overnight with GWR▸ will have to wear a face covering for the whole journey.
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« Reply #1525 on: June 22, 2020, 12:05:36 » |
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A cynic like me would suspect that GWR▸ want to get rid of the sleeper.
It is a franchise requirement and cant be dropped on a whim, but a prolonged closure for safety reasons should reduce patronage and assist in negotiating away any future obligation to provide the service.
Re-opening a "sleeper" service but without sleeping accommodation is no doubt a good start.
Perhaps the survey to prove that it is no longer wanted has already been done.
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It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #1526 on: June 22, 2020, 12:26:09 » |
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A cynic like me would suspect that GWR▸ want to get rid of the sleeper.
It is a franchise requirement and cant be dropped on a whim, but a prolonged closure for safety reasons should reduce patronage and assist in negotiating away any future obligation to provide the service.
Re-opening a "sleeper" service but without sleeping accommodation is no doubt a good start.
Perhaps the survey to prove that it is no longer wanted has already been done.
You have been predicting the demise of the sleeper for years - I guess the current crisis facing the industry is certainly the best chance of that actually happening. Incidentally, the DA3 for GWR plans for extra capacity and a dedicated sleeper booking website for the 'Night Riviera'. That's not to say some DA3 elements won't be practicable now, but it shows, pre-crisis, it was very much in the longer term plan. |
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« Reply #1527 on: June 26, 2020, 12:17:35 » |
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I see from the FGW▸ website that the Night Rivera is starting to run again, albeit initially only with seated accommodation. I believe the plan is to gradually reintroduce the sleeper accommodation once staff training is complete.
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« Reply #1528 on: August 02, 2020, 16:08:46 » |
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I doubt the DfT» or the Government would want a rerun of the Save our Sleeper campaign.
Sleeper Trains have become very popular in Britain over the past 15 years and even in Europe there is increasing use of sleepers after an initial decline.
Covid will be over someday.
Would have thought GWR▸ would have taken 6 class 43 HST▸ power cars converted the ETS▸ to 850volt for use on the Sleeper service.
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« Reply #1529 on: August 02, 2020, 16:48:04 » |
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I doubt the DfT» or the Government would want a rerun of the Save our Sleeper campaign.
Sleeper Trains have become very popular in Britain over the past 15 years and even in Europe there is increasing use of sleepers after an initial decline.
Covid will be over someday.
Would have thought GWR▸ would have taken 6 class 43 HST▸ power cars converted the ETS▸ to 850volt for use on the Sleeper service.
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