Paddington Underground station

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[IndustryInsider]

TfL^» (Transport for London - about) were running the new T Cup service at the weekend to test the timeable, however they weren't advertising the fact.  Some FGW^▸ (First Great Western) stations had signs saying for the northern half of the Circle to use the H&C station at Paddington.

www.diamondgeezer.blogspot.com  charted the experiment

The part-closure of the Piccadilly Line for engineering work meant large numbers of foreign travellers with luggage heading to the airport were turning up at Paddington which was adding to the confusion!

[Btline]

Where is the logic in this decision??

Last time I arrived at Paddington, it was straight onto the Circle Line and round to Tower Bridge which was a seemingly easy journey to take. (Outer Loop)

1) A increase in reliability across ALL sub surface lines.

2) A DOUBLING of frequency to Hammersmith - including to the new Shepherds Bush shopping centre.

You'll still be able to do that above journey - the only difference is that it'll be more reliable (and you'll wait less time for a train unless going beyond Algate).

Only disadvantage is the loss of Western side to Northern side stations. Boo hoo - either go the long way round or take the Piccadilly line!

[eightf48544]

Only disadvantage is the loss of Western side to Northern side stations. Boo hoo - either go the long way round or take the Piccadilly line!

Who is going to go wrong way High Street to Baker Street? They'll all have to change?

[Btline]

What I mean, is if the platform change at Edgware Road is too much for you, get to your destination going anticlockwise. Or by taking a alternative line.

[devon_metro]

Or just keep things like they are. 

However, I suspect there is a flat junction that restricts the number of trains that can run.

[Lee]

Paddington, Victoria, Edgware Road, and Hyde Park Corner tube stations were or still are closed to a certain extent today due to flooding, according to this article - http://www.thelondonpaper.com/thelondonpaper/news/london/commuter-chaos-as-london-underground-hit-by-flooding

Mainline services from Victoria were also closed.

BBC^» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) article - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8139435.stm

[Btline]

Or just keep things like they are. 

You could , but the reasons the sub surface lines are so unreliable are:

(a) the flat junctions, as you say

(b) the fact that the Circle line has no recovery time. The new plans will provide 2 places for Circle trains to recover, without affecting journey times or frequencies.

[plymothian]

The new T-Cup service does not eliminate the flat junctions, just (supposedly) the recovery time, as train paths still cross at Praed Street junction.  The experiments have shown that Edgware Road can get quite crowded even in relatively quiet times when there's a gap in the service.

[Btline]

I do wonder how Edware Road will cope with the number of trains. I suspect that District line services will be axed.

The T-Cup does not eliminate flat junctions, but removes one from the network, and since the trains will be running more on time, the others should be less of a problem.

[paul7575]

I do wonder how Edware Road will cope with the number of trains. I suspect that District line services will be axed.

The T-Cup does not eliminate flat junctions, but removes one from the network, and since the trains will be running more on time, the others should be less of a problem.

There was a suggestion that some Wimbleware services would stop short at HSK, but that hasn't been the case on the trial weekends so far.

Please explain which flat junction is 'removed' - (I take it you mean no longer an issue, rather than physically removed?) - because I think the T Cup actually increases the conflicting moves over Praed St junction, west of Edgware Rd.

Paul

[eightf48544]

Terminating the Wimbleware services at HSK would considerably reduce the services from HSK, NHG and Bayswater to Padd.

Terminating and reversing the Outer Circle at Edgware also increases movements over Pread Street Junction plus eliminate through HSK etc. Baker Street  and Eastward services.

A lot of people seem to catch the Inner rail circle at Baker Street who are still on the train when I get out at Padd.

[Btline]

I don't have much knowledge of Praed Street Junction. But I assumed terminating trains from the West Circle would not interfere with H&C/Cirlce trains to/from Hammersmith.

Anyway - whether or not this is the case, the fact of the matter is that there is no opportunity of recovery on the Circle line as it is. Introducing more station dwells will reduce the frequency on all sub surface lines. The T-Cup is the only viable way of increasing reliability.

And there is the extra trains on the Hammersmith branch - also serving the new shopping centre.

[devon_metro]

Btline, I thought you were obsessed with removing slack yet are supporting adding of it?

This is of course likely to lead to slack running! 

[plymothian]

Terminating outer circle and district trains have to cross the paths of Hammersmith bound trains as the through platforms will be the outer two faces at Edgware Road.  This provides cross platform interchange for westbound on circles, but a having to use the bridge for circle services eastbound.  Likewise arriving on the district involves using the bridge.  Of course, passengers from Hammersmith bound services could cross platform to the District to go to to Paddington and beyond, changing at HSK. 
Currently Edgware Road's passenger information, and size is woefully inadequate for what will be such a major interchange.

[Btline]

Btline, I thought you were obsessed with removing slack yet are supporting adding of it?

Am I? Quote a section where I support adding slack.

A key to a punctual railway is good turn around time. The current Circle line, by definaition, has no such time. The tea cup line will have two such places to recover.

Re Edgeware Road: I thought the bay platforms were South of the through platforms! So it looks like quite a few conflcits here...