Paddington Underground station

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[paul7575]

Also how is the Inner rail (counterclockwise) service provided?  Do the H&C from Barking go Circle at Edgware Road do a turn round the circle and then go Hammersmith or still only to Hammersmith. The H&C service also provides a very important link from Whitechapel to Liverpool Street across the third side of the triangle as of course does the District Line service from Edgware Road to Earls Court/Wimbledon.

H&C will run from Hammersmith to Barking and return as normal.
Circle runs from Hammersmith through Edgware Rd, continues outer rail to Edware Road, reverse, inner rail back round through Edgware Rd and back to Hammersmith.

The stretch from Hammersmith to Edgware Rd will be shown as two lines, pink and yellow.

I'd emphasise that contrary to some very misleading newspaper reports (especially in the Standard) when it was first confirmed by TfL^» (Transport for London - about) - they definitely aren't going to  rename either line. TfL's announcement is here:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/media/newscentre/11323.aspx

Paul

[eightf48544]

So there will be no High Street Kensington to Baker Street service without changing at Edgware Road?

As I said I thought the whole purpose of the Circle line was the corners.

It will have to made very clear on all stations on both lines that the service will terminate at Edgware Road and you have to change to get further round the Circle..

I wonder how many tourists will get on a circle and either find themselves in Hammersmith or back where they started after turning round at Edgware Raod. Lots of excess fares as Hammersmith is Zone 2. Enough used to get to Whitechapel wanting Tower Hill.

If the Districts are still terminating at Edgware Road I still think it will cause trouble.

[Mojo]

I think it's great. When changing to another London terminal (Euston, Kings Cross/St Pancras or Liverpool Street), I will no longer have to take a chance at which station to pick.

[Btline]

Overall, the proposals are excellent, with a doubling of frequency to Hammersmith and no more train clashes at Edware Road on the flat junction.

Punctuality and journey times will improve for all sub-surface line users.

The only disadvantage is the loss of West to North Circle journeys.

[eightf48544]

Overall, the proposals are excellent, with a doubling of frequency to Hammersmith and no more train clashes at Edware Road on the flat junction.

The only disadvantage is the loss of West to North Circle journeys.

Hang on; Pread Street junction is on the Padd side of Edgware Road So you have Circle and District trains to Edgeware Road clashing with more trains to Hammersmith. Not sure that's a good idea.

Plus more trains turning round at Edgware Road.

I would also have thought that the loss of West to North link will be inconvinient for many people.

 

[paul7575]

Overall, the proposals are excellent, with a doubling of frequency to Hammersmith and no more train clashes at Edware Road on the flat junction.

In fact there are 12 tph westbound (6 tph H&C & 6 tph Circle) conflicting with 12 tph terminating from the District and western Circle. Most discussions have focussed on the significant increase in conflicting moves...

Paul

[IndustryInsider]

I'd emphasise that contrary to some very misleading newspaper reports (especially in the Standard) when it was first confirmed by TfL^» (Transport for London - about) - they definitely aren't going to  rename either line.

Most unlike the LES to be misleading when reporting on the railways! I remain open minded about these changes, though it will put even more pressure on the barriers at Paddington on the overbridge leading along to platform 8. This already struggles badly through the peak hours, especially when a LUL^▸ (London Underground Ltd) and LTV^▸ (London [and] Thames Valley) train arrive at the same time. People queueing for tickets near the barriers also leads to congestion - those machines really need to be moved, or at the very least queuing barriers put in place.

[plymothian]

Anyone get caught up in the experiment of the new regime at the weekend?

[eightf48544]

Anyone get caught up in the experiment of the new regime at the weekend?

What was this? Did they do anew Circle tryout over teh weekend?

[grahame]

Anyone get caught up in the experiment of the new regime at the weekend?

I'm not sure exactly what was going on, Tuesday (yesterday) afternoon but I cause a train on the Hammersmith and City platform that was announced (prior to Edgware Road as being Circle line..  Came to a halt just before Edgware Road and the operator announced that we were held because there were already trains at both Easbound platforms ... we pulling to the middle just as a "Whitechapel" was leaving from the outer platform.   And our train continued to be announced as Circle all the way to King's Cross, where I got off and transferred onto National Express East Coast for what turned out to be the final day of their franchise.   Another story ...

[plymothian]

TfL^» (Transport for London - about) were running the new T Cup service at the weekend to test the timeable, however they weren't advertising the fact.  Some FGW^▸ (First Great Western) stations had signs saying for the northern half of the Circle to use the H&C station at Paddington.

www.diamondgeezer.blogspot.com  charted the experiment

[devon_metro]

Where is the logic in this decision??

Last time I arrived at Paddington, it was straight onto the Circle Line and round to Tower Bridge which was a seemingly easy journey to take. (Outer Loop)

[John R]

Anyone get caught up in the experiment of the new regime at the weekend?

I'm not sure exactly what was going on, Tuesday (yesterday) afternoon but I cause a train on the Hammersmith and City platform that was announced (prior to Edgware Road as being Circle line..  Came to a halt just before Edgware Road and the operator announced that we were held because there were already trains at both Easbound platforms ... we pulling to the middle just as a "Whitechapel" was leaving from the outer platform.   And our train continued to be announced as Circle all the way to King's Cross, where I got off and transferred onto National Express East Coast for what turned out to be the final day of their franchise.   Another story ...

They were also turning some H&C back at Edgware Rd at around 9am. I speculated whether they run District Line services east of Edgware Rd during Wimbledon. It would make a lot of sense.

[John R]

Where is the logic in this decision??

Last time I arrived at Paddington, it was straight onto the Circle Line and round to Tower Bridge which was a seemingly easy journey to take. (Outer Loop)

You will still be able to once the teacup starts, but Circle Line trains will then depart from the H&C platforms, which are closer for arriving passengers. Whether the stairs onto the H&C platforms will cope is another matter.

[Zoe]

Last time I arrived at Paddington, it was straight onto the Circle Line and round to Tower Bridge which was a seemingly easy journey to take. (Outer Loop)

I am sure you know the LUL^▸ (London Underground Ltd) station is named Tower Hill not Tower Bridge.