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« Reply #30 on: May 25, 2009, 16:15:37 » |
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But then the 1000 Penzance - Paddington would be overwhelmed with people?
Plymouth, Totnes, Newton A, Exeter, Tiverton & Taunton all lie within your off peak hours and that particular service is heaving upon leaving Cornwall in summer.
Thats just one example...
But surely off peak tickets are valid at the moment on that train? I acknolwedge that the system would not work 100% - but the current one doesn't either! Off-Peak tickets are valid on that train, BUT around 90% of pax on that service are usually on Advance tickets! By saying you can use a super off-peak on any journey completed before 1130 then what about evening peak chaos? Advance tickets help to regulate pax flow and at the same time are huge bargains! |
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« Reply #31 on: May 25, 2009, 16:25:34 » |
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I said that super off peak tickets are not valid on journeys completed before 1130 and commenced between 1630 and 1830. So there would not be "evening peak" chaos.
Instead, affordable flexibility - drawing lots of passengers to the railway at off peak times.
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« Reply #32 on: May 25, 2009, 16:26:52 » |
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I prefer AP. Just booked myself some complete bargains!
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« Reply #33 on: May 25, 2009, 16:45:07 » |
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I prefer AP. Just booked myself some complete bargains!
I know: London to Birmingham for under ^4! But I doubt the average impulse traveller would begrudge a higher, but reasonable "Super Off Peak" ticket. TOCs▸ get more money, pax have more flexibility (no worries about missing scheduled train, and can come home early if you decide to), off peak trains are filled. |
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« Reply #34 on: May 25, 2009, 16:53:29 » |
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One small problem, perhaps SW orientated?
Off peak trains are busy!!
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« Reply #35 on: May 26, 2009, 14:43:27 » |
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What do you mean difficult to understand? A system could work as follows:
Standard Anytime - valid any time, out on date of ticket, return (if any) within a month.
Standard Off Peak - not valid on weekday journeys which finish before 1130, out on date on ticket, return (of any) within a month.
Super Off Peak - not valid on weekday journeys which finish before 1130 and weekday journeys which start between 1630 and 1830, out on date on ticket, return (of any) within a month.
All tickets allow one break of journey. Railcards valid on all tickets. Groupsave valid on Off-Peak and Super Off-Peak fares.
Simple. You know where you stand with whatever ticket you buy.
Whatever restrictions you devise it will not be perfect, but any scheme ought to be simple and universal enough for the restrictions to be printed on the back of the ticket itself. When you need to consult the Online jounrey planner or the guard needs to look it up in his machine the system is too complicated. |
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« Reply #36 on: May 26, 2009, 14:47:22 » |
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If your organised and plan ahead you save money! simple!
If you are not you pay through the nose thereby eliminating the turn-up-and-go advantage that the railway has over other modes and leaving the private car as the only option that retains that flexibility. Huge amounts of taxpayer money are spent on upgrading the railway to "turn up and go" frequences and simple clock-face timetables. What is the point if noone can afford to take advantage of the flexibilty provided? |
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« Reply #37 on: May 26, 2009, 16:07:32 » |
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bad situation.... most trains are packed in fgw land
dropping fairs would help attract more passengers
but then overcrowding will get worse, no spare stock to go around and even if there was costs would go up and fgw would make even more of a loss...
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« Reply #38 on: May 26, 2009, 17:21:00 » |
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One small problem, perhaps SW orientated?
Off peak trains are busy!!
This as as FGW▸ are packing most of the train with advance fares, it would work if there were less advance fares available. No I'm not saying there should not be any advance fares at all but have 2 coaches full of advance fares and leave the rest for cheaper off peak fares. |
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« Reply #39 on: May 26, 2009, 17:28:23 » |
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The fares restrictions NEED to be simplified. I have the NFM▸ , and it is hard enough to understand!
We should have a system where if you ticket is an "Off Peak Return", you know that it is valid after X time, you can return within the month, Group Saves and railcard discounts can apply, and a break is/is not allowed.
We also need to AXE "day" fares. Why have an "Off Peak Day" and an "Off Peak Return" on the same route?
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« Reply #40 on: May 26, 2009, 19:18:03 » |
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We also need to AXE "day" fares. Why have an "Off Peak Day" and an "Off Peak Return" on the same route?
So if you want to come back on the same day you can pay less, quite sensible really. |
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« Reply #41 on: May 26, 2009, 22:24:21 » |
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The fares restrictions NEED to be simplified. I have the NFM▸ , and it is hard enough to understand!
We should have a system where if you ticket is an "Off Peak Return", you know that it is valid after X time, you can return within the month, Group Saves and railcard discounts can apply, and a break is/is not allowed.
We also need to AXE "day" fares. Why have an "Off Peak Day" and an "Off Peak Return" on the same route?
How can you have the NFM? The restrictions aren't available to the public. |
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« Reply #42 on: May 26, 2009, 22:44:05 » |
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Just out of idle curiosity on my part, devon_metro ... do you have access to a copy of the National Fares Manual?  |
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William Huskisson MP▸ was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830. Many more have died in the same way since then. Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.
"Level crossings are safe, unless they are used in an unsafe manner." Discuss.
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« Reply #43 on: May 26, 2009, 22:50:50 » |
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I have access to Avantix▸ Traveller and some slightly outdated restrictions stashed away somewhere  |
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Chris from Nailsea
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« Reply #44 on: May 26, 2009, 22:53:10 » |
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William Huskisson MP▸ was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830. Many more have died in the same way since then. Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.
"Level crossings are safe, unless they are used in an unsafe manner." Discuss.
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