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« Reply #90 on: October 24, 2017, 11:02:09 » |
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...I don't think the name is short for cesspit. I've never seen any "bangers and mash" in a cess.
A quick etymological investigation reveals that cess probably derives from cesspool, which is a corruption of suspiral meaning vent, water pipe or settling tank. In railways, the cess does act as a drain, but principally for rain falling on the track ballast. The volume of sewage emanating from train toilets may be unpleasant, but it doesn't justify that much civil engineering. |
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« Reply #91 on: October 24, 2017, 15:12:37 » |
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After the cab has passed it would be very reasonable to try and have a short conversation before you were able to resume work.
A short conversation may not be wise when a train without retention toilets is passing. I'd keep my mouth firmly shut, lest I get an unwanted helping of bangers and mash. |
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« Reply #92 on: October 24, 2017, 15:41:36 » |
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Fair point Ellendune although this stretch is rather segregated from the existing 2 track section and other activity (such as the lone shoveller, moving truckage surveyors etc) seem never to be so constrained by passing rail traffic.
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« Reply #94 on: October 24, 2017, 16:47:52 » |
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Isn't there a 'sell-by' date for those trains without retention tanks to have them fitted? sometime in 2020? So all stock in use after this date will * all* have retention tanks. Hence those (and only those currently) going to Scotrail (and being shortened) are being converted as part of the shortening process (which is why the work has needed to be started)
I guess GWR▸ need to do those short HSTs▸ they are keeping for Devon & Cornwall too at some stage.
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« Reply #95 on: October 24, 2017, 17:20:50 » |
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Isn't there a 'sell-by' date for those trains without retention tanks to have them fitted? sometime in 2020? So all stock in use after this date will * all* have retention tanks. Hence those (and only those currently) going to Scotrail (and being shortened) are being converted as part of the shortening process (which is why the work has needed to be started)
I guess GWR▸ need to do those short HSTs▸ they are keeping for Devon & Cornwall too at some stage.
AAUI the deadline for retention toilets is the last day of 2020. This is later than the accessibility modification deadline of 1 Jan 2020. However, fitting electric doors and retention toilets to a MkIII are both big jobs which it makes sense to do together and I think doing them together was the original plan and is still what is happening at least for the Scotland-bound sets. AAUI, the toilet deadline as well as being later is also just an internal NR» deadline rather than an EU» one so I can see the disability modifications being prioritised if needed and the toilet ones being allowed to slip. NR has intended to apply the toilet deadline to heritage and charter stock, but has delayed doing so. |
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« Reply #96 on: October 24, 2017, 18:26:05 » |
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I can assure you being sprayed at 125mph with atomised S&P whilst standing trackside is not one of the most of pleasant experiences I have endured in my long railway career.......   Surely someone can think of a way to get certain politicians to stand trackside in an appropriate location... maybe we could ask them to re-announce the GWR▸ electrification, or a new scheme for Portishead involving diesel buses on ordinary roads... with a bit of co-ordination you could get all the toilets flushing at the same time... |
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« Reply #97 on: October 24, 2017, 18:30:37 » |
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Surely someone can think of a way to get certain politicians to stand trackside in an appropriate location...
They spout enough of it as it is. |
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« Reply #98 on: October 24, 2017, 19:19:37 » |
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Now for the how. AAUI, there is only one winding in an autotransformer AAUI the deadline for retention toilets is the last day of 2020. Forgive me ... AAUI? Familiar with AIUI▸ (As I Understand it) but AAUI isn't in our acronyms list |
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« Reply #99 on: October 25, 2017, 07:19:29 » |
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I can assure you being sprayed at 125mph with atomised S&P whilst standing trackside is not one of the most of pleasant experiences I have endured in my long railway career....... I agree with SandT Engineer, the only thing worse than being sprayed trackside is working on traction and rolling stock especially on set that has just come off of a run on a wet day  The fitting of retention toilets on trains is something that should have been done when the Mk3 were designed. |
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« Reply #100 on: October 25, 2017, 09:32:38 » |
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Pedant alert!
I think we should restrict ourselves to the term 'retention tank(s)'; a 'retention toilet' is surely just another name for a bucket and on a train this would quite rapidly become very messy!
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« Reply #101 on: October 25, 2017, 11:38:25 » |
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Pedant alert!
I think we should restrict ourselves to the term 'retention tank(s)'; a 'retention toilet' is surely just another name for a bucket and on a train this would quite rapidly become very messy!
I think I have heard them called Controlled Emission Toilets ( CET▸ ). |
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« Reply #102 on: October 25, 2017, 19:56:02 » |
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Blue lights if anyone does want to try and spot one of them lit beneath the grime! Personally I can't wait for the new toilets to be fitted as the current ones fitted during the refresh continue to not be fit for purpose - running out of water or blocking far to quickly and easily.
The only reason the toilets block far too easily is because passengers flush all manners if things down them! Points raised here. |
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« Reply #103 on: October 25, 2017, 20:32:30 » |
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« Reply #104 on: October 26, 2017, 19:20:31 » |
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Pedant alert!
I think we should restrict ourselves to the term 'retention tank(s)'; a 'retention toilet' is surely just another name for a bucket and on a train this would quite rapidly become very messy!
 Well hopefully the tank will retain the effluent, when it doesn't the Water Closet .............. errrrrrrrrrr becomes a spray booth Pedant alert!
I think we should restrict ourselves to the term 'retention tank(s)'; a 'retention toilet' is surely just another name for a bucket and on a train this would quite rapidly become very messy!
I think I have heard them called Controlled Emission Toilets ( CET▸ ). CET is the correct phrase ............. although sometimes when the door open one does wonder how effectively the emissions are controlled peeeeeeeeeeeehueeeeeeewww  |
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