overcrowding! time to stop moaning about it.. and to bring health and safety!

[whole diary]

[Mookiemoo]

by the way
somebody please tell me that these famous train crowding in japan clip is a joke?

i do not believe this is real....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwbPdF5dIgQ

replies please?

Actually I found that quite horrific.  As we all know, I am no PC doo gooder type person BUT - this week of all weeks - when I was in the upper stand of the leppings lane end of hillsborough, that was not pleasant.  I could have been in the lower had we not decided last minute to get a birds eye view when we bought the tickets.

Was 13 at the time - I thought I had deal with it until the media insisted on shoving it in my face this week

[Chris from Nailsea]

Mookiemoo, I'm very sorry to hear that you were there at Hillsborough at the time, and that you are thus so affected by the reminders of that sad event now.

Our thoughts must be with all the families and friends of those who died there.

Chris. 

[plejaren]

i thought that video was a joke

if its real

im sorry but im disgusted

the fat cats of that rail network probably sitting in their offices puffing on their cigars with people squashed into deadly conditions

that is appalling

[Mookiemoo]

Mookiemoo, I'm very sorry to hear that you were there at Hillsborough at the time, and that you are thus so affected by the reminders of that sad event now.

Our thoughts must be with all the families and friends of those who died there.

Chris. 

I lost three class mates.

The high school I was at had quadrangles inside the building - it was a figure of 8

One was turned over into a memorial

I personally helped (although I was 13 so I dont know how much help I was but I was trying) pulled several people out of the lower tier.   

Irony was I am an everton fan - the only time I stepped inside anfield was in the period after where I layed my everton scarf on the terraces.  I was only there because my family are liverpudlians and they needed me to be an extra eye on some of the younger members (1989 - 13 year olds were one year off baby sitting age remember).  I was bribed to be there cos I liked football. 

I see that Japan video and think what the people inside must be feeling.

To this day I have claustrophobia.

[plejaren]

well

when people realise
that governments

companies

none of them give a damn about the people or their customers

its money money money

we are irelevant to them

[grahame]

A few of the night owls may have noticed that this topic was temporarily locked during the night, while under 'moderator review'.  I am just about to re-open it after posting this note, but reserve the right to relock if need be.

There are times when posts / descriptions of situations quite take my breath away.  The description of what has happened to someone that I can only imagine (and then only imaging very poorly, without any similar experiences) - and that's the case with the member who was at Hillsborough.   We wish that these things never happened and there was nothing there to talk about and describe afterwards, but as they have happened they should be talked about, and we are happy - where there is even a seed of relevance (and there's much much more than that here!) for them to be hosted on this forum.

Yet having welcomed such posts, the emotions all around are raised too and there is, pehaps, a temptattion for some people to look to make political capital out of the situation, and on occasions to do so without thought for the feelings of the person who was in the situation.  One of the things that new members agree to when they sign up is to keep away from the 'personal' level (I am paraphrasing there) and just occasionally - as here - we need to gently remind people of that.

I am also reminded how different in structure we are to commercial organisations:

companies
none of them give a damn about the people or their customers
its money money money
we are irelevant to them

The Coffee Shop is not a company, and that comment (which was not in any way aimed at us) helps to show just how different to that stereotype we are here.  The Coffee Shop is here for its members - number have crept up on what started as a 'protest' board even though FGW^▸ (First Great Western) - with a couple of exceptions - have put much right.  With that customer service approach, members are relevant, the moderator team does give a damn ... and we thank all our members (now and in the future) for helping us maintain the toughly discussed but friendly approach

[plejaren]

i wasnt slaging this website off
i was saying that in response to the japan horrific video of them shoving people on a train around 500 per cent over capacity.....

that can not possibly be by a company who cares about its customers

[super tm]

i.....

that can not possibly be by a company who cares about its customers

Why not.  They are helping their customers to get on the train of their choice.  The reason people accept travelling like this is that the service is so reliable that they know they will not be in such conditions for long and also they will not get stuck in between stations in a broken down train.

[Tim]

personally, I'd always squeeze onto an overcrowded train (even if it was crowed to Japanese levels) rather than wait for the next one.  This is because I value my time over my comfort and don't think that there is any Health and Safety risk to me in doing so.  I am an adult and it is my desision.  If I change my mind, I'd get off at the next stop. 

I perfectly understand that other people may take a different view of the issue and act differently, but please lets not use H&S^▸ (Health and Safety) or Human Rights arguements to deny me the right to be responsible for myself and take my own decison about my comfort and safety.

[moonrakerz]

Totally agree, there isn't enough Health & safety input into today's risk-ridden world. The BBC^» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) have the right idea !

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1170475/Emergency-service-BBC-calls-ambulance-tyre-change---barmy-health-safety.html

(PS: for anyone who isn't sure and takes this the wrong way  - this is a joke !) 

[Btline]

The reason why Japan does that is its population density.

There is no other way of keeping the country moving. They have to pack as many people onto their trains as possible.

The next one will be just as crowded.

[stebbo]

There's also a small matter of different cultures - remember that what one culture/country finds unacceptable may be regarded as perfectly OK in another.

We shouldn't impose our views on others - a point the US might care to remember from time to time.

[Mookiemoo]

Actually - on a lighter note - and I apologise for "lowering the tone" I just cant find overcrowding acceptable .......


I wonder if this is the reason behind some decidedly odd behaviour patters in early 2008.

When the 1921 was regularly turbo-stuted from an adelante I used to sit in the sloe bar at pad and wait to see what came in - often a two car 165 - the platform was a rugby scrum.

I'd sit there and wait for the 2021 which got me home almost when I had to leave again - but it was normally a deserted booked 16- the acomodation was only slightly better than the 165 but ........ the thought of trying to fight my way through that was not nice

[plejaren]

Actually - on a lighter note - and I apologise for "lowering the tone" I just cant find overcrowding acceptable .......

completly agree
its like being shoved up against a wall
not pleasant

[Mookiemoo]

Actually - on a lighter note - and I apologise for "lowering the tone" I just cant find overcrowding acceptable .......

completly agree
its like being shoved up against a wall
not pleasant

you dont know how unpleasant being shoved up against a wall is - you cant even begin to imagine it