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Author Topic: Wrexham & Shropshire - their rise and fall (merged topic)  (Read 39820 times)
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« Reply #75 on: March 17, 2010, 02:08:08 »

Serves you right for using that Apple garbage... Wink
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« Reply #76 on: March 17, 2010, 07:41:28 »

It's not too hard to concentrate on getting details right when you run three or four trains a day each way.

Oh I don't know. FGW (First Great Western) seems to make a pretty good fist of screwing the people of West Wiltshire over pretty comprehensively on a regular basis.
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« Reply #77 on: November 03, 2010, 21:42:10 »

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TRAIN operator Wrexham & Shropshire, which links Banbury with London, Shrewsbury and Wales, is reducing the number of services it runs from next month.

The firm, which operates without a Government subsidy and relies on fares paid by passengers to cover all its costs, says the trains affected are too lightly-used to be profitable.

Two off-peak services in each direction on weekdays and Saturdays will be combined into one.

Managing director Andy Hamilton said: ^Our position as a train operator working without subsidy means that our viability is directly affected by passenger numbers. We have several trains that are not being used sufficiently to justify continuing to run them.

"The change will not affect travel for over 70 per cent of our passengers and will allow us to focus our resources on growing our business where demand is greatest. We know that some customers will be inconvenienced, and for that we apologise."

For full details, see the company^s website.
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« Reply #78 on: November 03, 2010, 23:33:39 »

Just in time for Chiltern to take over, and use the hst stock on something more useful.
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« Reply #79 on: November 04, 2010, 01:28:04 »

Go and say that on the two morning peak trains into London and the 16.30 and 18.30 back. They are rather useful to people in Shropshire and north-east Wales. Though whether that will be enough to keep them in business is another matter, given they are still hobbled by Virgin's sweetheart deal until 2012 and the pathing problems around Birmingham.

And presumably you mean loco-hauled, rather than HST (High Speed Train) stock. Could be some fun and games from December with slam doors at the Warwickshire stations, with some heroic assumptions about dwell times. The 05.46 from Birmingham is allowed less time to call at Warwick Parkway, Warwick and Leamington Spa than some Clubman services. The other LHCS (Locomotive Hauled Coaching Stock) train in the morning is the 06.53 from Banbury.
Return LHCS trains are 16.33 Marylebone to Moor Street and 18.06 to Banbury.
All carry the note 'Chiltern Railways train formed of carriages which may carry other branding'.
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« Reply #80 on: November 04, 2010, 11:22:43 »

A slight disappointment that the through trains from Wrexham/Shrewsbury are being cut back, but having looked at the loadings I'm not surprised.  Perhaps 15-minutes or so off the current journey times south of Banbury from next May will be possible with the 'Mainline' enhancements and that'll be enough to win some more custom?

I didn't realise that a couple of Chiltern's services were going over to LHCS (Locomotive Hauled Coaching Stock) as soon as December - I assumed that would wait until the extra stock was required following the Oxford link opening.  Tight dwell times indeed though!
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« Reply #81 on: November 04, 2010, 20:21:25 »

The Banbury - Marylebone early morning and evening peak return LHCS (Locomotive Hauled Coaching Stock) service was applied for a few months ago specifically to allow a couple of 165s or 168s at a time to go for GSM(R) fitting;  was it not mentioned here earlier?

The same track access bid also asked for Chiltern to be allowed to use LHCS on other services on an adhoc basis to deal with short term capacity issues, but that seems to have subsequently become a regular daily 'early out and late back' from/to Snow Hill  - at least as far as posters in other forums believe...   Roll Eyes

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« Reply #82 on: November 05, 2010, 00:06:34 »

Paul,

I'm not citing posts on other forums, rather the new Chiltern timetable, for which a full pdf is available to download now at their website.

And guess which operator has got an errata leaflet online detailing late changes to its December pocket timetables, but has yet to post the said timetables...
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« Reply #83 on: November 05, 2010, 01:18:34 »

And guess which operator has got an errata leaflet online detailing late changes to its December pocket timetables, but has yet to post the said timetables...

FGW (First Great Western) I presume?  The same operator who sends a couple of 165/166's for refurbishment without sourcing an innovative solution like Chiltern.  If we're looking in the same place, the errata leaflet actually applies to the current timetable(s) and not the December one though.
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« Reply #84 on: November 05, 2010, 17:57:48 »

Paul,

I'm not citing posts on other forums, rather the new Chiltern timetable, for which a full pdf is available to download now at their website.

My mistake, when you said the LHCS (Locomotive Hauled Coaching Stock) from December was a surprise I thought we'd discussed it here in the Coffee Shop already, but I now think not...

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« Reply #85 on: November 05, 2010, 18:45:39 »

I am traveling on   Wrexham & Shropshire next wednesday from Wrexham to London after coming up by train from Cardiff. I have been told they are great to travel on, although sadly i dont think they have beenhelped by therecent downturn in the economy etc.

 Hopefully in 2012 they will be allowed to carry passengers between Wolverhampton & London and maybe pick up passengers at Birmingham which hopefully should provide a bit more money for them.

Maybe wrexham & shropshire should look at if it is cost effective & profitable to fit the  class 67's & DVT(resolve)'s they operate with ETRM'S  and operate  2 services per day  to/from Aberystwyth in addition to the trains from Wrexham.
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« Reply #86 on: November 05, 2010, 19:03:38 »

And guess which operator has got an errata leaflet online detailing late changes to its December pocket timetables, but has yet to post the said timetables...

If you are referring to FGW (First Great Western) can you provide a link to this errant errata leaflet?
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« Reply #87 on: November 05, 2010, 23:54:32 »

Does that leave room for the DB» (Deutsche Bahn - German State Railway - about) Arriva Aberystwyth to Marylebone service?
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« Reply #88 on: November 06, 2010, 00:08:55 »

And guess which operator has got an errata leaflet online detailing late changes to its December pocket timetables, but has yet to post the said timetables...

FGW (First Great Western) I presume?  The same operator who sends a couple of 165/166's for refurbishment without sourcing an innovative solution like Chiltern.  If we're looking in the same place, the errata leaflet actually applies to the current timetable(s) and not the December one though.

Oops, saw December in the wording... still, would be nice to see some FGW December timetables available by now though. The info has been in the journey planners for a while and although Chiltern's network is simpler, that pdf booklet of their full service is a bit of a beast, which must take a deal of work.

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I suspect that DB will have too much on its plate trying to integrate Arriva's operations into its management structure, completing Chiltern Mainline and getting Oxford-Bicester through to start that kind of operation just at the moment, not least due to the problems getting ERTMS (European Rail Traffic Management System.) into service. Enhancing the Cambrian Line's service would seem the more logical development in that part of the world for the time being.
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« Reply #89 on: November 06, 2010, 00:11:25 »

The staff have not got their comprehensive book of all services yet. The big massive A5 book (or atlas) of every timetabled service complete with headcodes and (predicted) train formation.

Spoke with someone today and apparently is a problem at the printers (now where have I heard that before??)
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