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« Reply #30 on: March 31, 2009, 17:41:28 »
Quote from: paul7755 on March 31, 2009, 12:36:11
And just to keep the pot boiling, the latest Network Rail route plans still include the possibility of gauge clearance work to allow 165/166 use on Cardiff - Portsmouth services...

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Hmmmm interesting...though I still think the new units will be deployed on the Cardiff-Portsmouth line but you never know with the Dft!
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« Reply #31 on: April 07, 2009, 20:30:51 »
So when are we likely to see new units on this service?
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« Reply #32 on: April 07, 2009, 20:55:24 »
Quote from: Jez on April 07, 2009, 20:30:51
So when are we likely to see new units on this service?

Let's say don't hold your breath. If they are 172s Bombardier has quite a lot of electrics to complete before doing 172s so 2013 to 15?

Another sweep?
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« Reply #33 on: April 07, 2009, 22:27:31 »
And the contract winner is...

...supposed to have been announced in March 2009 - so a week late already...   Grin


and half of the DMU▸ (Diesel Multiple Unit) order have to be in service by Dec 2011, and all by May 2012, for the optimists amongst us all!

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« Reply #34 on: April 09, 2009, 23:58:20 »
The process is still grinding on slowly. FGW▸ (First Great Western) has recently supplied DafT with details of how it proposes deploying its share of the order - purely for information purposes I'm sure, since, as we all know, DafT doesn't tell franchises which trains to use and where...

But it's a fair bet Portsmouth-Cardiff and the more lightly-used Cotswold Line off-peak services are top of the list of suggestions.
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« Reply #35 on: July 20, 2009, 12:03:03 »
Those who get Roger Ford's monthly preview email will have seen it this morning, but he will update the 'new DMU▸ (Diesel Multiple Unit)' forecasts this month and regarding the Portsmouth - Cardiff 44 vehicles:

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And the DMUP no longer totals 202, but is now 158 because the 44 vehicles for FGW▸ (First Great Western)^s Cardiff-Portsmouth services, which didn^t feature in the RSP, seem to have gone AWOL▸ (Absent Without Leave).

which doesn't seem too good...

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« Reply #36 on: July 20, 2009, 17:03:10 »
the lack of news from dft on this new DMU▸ (Diesel Multiple Unit) fleet has concerned me for a while now  Sad
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« Reply #37 on: July 25, 2009, 10:58:41 »
Quote from: http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/rail/pi/rail-electrification.pdf
This electrification programme radically affects the requirements for rolling stock over the next decade. There will be far less need for diesel trains and a greater requirement for electric trains. In particular, the previously-planned procurement by the Government of new diesel trains has now been superseded.  We will accordingly publish a new rolling stock plan in the autumn, taking account of the changed circumstances.

This suggests that the new build stock for Cardiff-Pompey will never happen. Expect to see cascaded Class 165/166 some time around 2016. Or maybe 5 car HSTs▸ (High Speed Train) when they start to be offloaded from London-Cardiff.
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« Reply #38 on: July 26, 2009, 20:08:59 »
Quote from: moley on July 25, 2009, 10:58:41
Quote from: http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/rail/pi/rail-electrification.pdf
This electrification programme radically affects the requirements for rolling stock over the next decade. There will be far less need for diesel trains and a greater requirement for electric trains. In particular, the previously-planned procurement by the Government of new diesel trains has now been superseded.  We will accordingly publish a new rolling stock plan in the autumn, taking account of the changed circumstances.

This suggests that the new build stock for Cardiff-Pompey will never happen. Expect to see cascaded Class 165/166 some time around 2016. Or maybe 5 car HSTs▸ (High Speed Train) when they start to be offloaded from London-Cardiff.

When are HST's being offloaded from the Cardiff-London route?
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« Reply #39 on: July 26, 2009, 20:34:49 »
2017, so only 8 years to go.
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« Reply #40 on: July 27, 2009, 17:23:13 »
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When are HST▸ (High Speed Train)'s being offloaded from the Cardiff-London route?

Probably when the line is electrified
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