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thetrout
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« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2009, 21:37:11 » |
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I've heard about that, it was on the news a few months ago I remember. What was the coaching stock that she hauled? And your right, she is a fantastic feet of engineering  |
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Chris from Nailsea
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« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2009, 21:49:30 » |
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Sorry, chaps - I was just worried that I'd be 'shot down' if I posted anything about 'a steam engine from the North' anywhere on this forum! I've been itching to do so: how about this, for a start? See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7876162.stm Chris   |
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William Huskisson MP▸ was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830. Many more have died in the same way since then. Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.
"Level crossings are safe, unless they are used in an unsafe manner." Discuss.
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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2009, 22:04:14 » |
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Tornado is genuinely a new member of her class, its not a replica or a rebuild; there has been some excellent engineering involved to build this locomotive not only based on the drawings but to adapted them to include modern technology and modern requirements for mainline running yet keeping an authentic look. Shame they choose an LNER» engine and not a far superior GWR▸ engine The A1 steam locomotive trust are to congratulated http://www.a1steam.com/ |
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Starship just experienced what we call a rapid unscheduled disassembly, or a RUD, during ascent,”
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inspector_blakey
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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2009, 22:24:06 » |
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What was the coaching stock that she hauled?
The stock was mostly mk Is with a couple of mk IIa vehicles at the rear. Most of the carriages were owned by Riviera Trains or DB» Schenker and the one I travelled in was immaculate - good to see these vehicles getting some maintenance because the last few times I have been on charter trains the stock has been looking like it's seen better days! 13 bogies on the back of the tender and she could have been an HST▸ , the acceleration out of Darlington was that impressive. For the moment she's limited to 75 mph (and because she's fitted with a data recorder I suspect this is likely to be observed, whereas with other steam locos in the past there's been a temptation to push things a bit) but the A1SLT are aiming for 90 mph certification which means she'll have to have a 99 mph test run - let's hope they go for the extra 1 mph and make the ton! |
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2009, 22:26:59 » |
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Shame they choose an LNER» engine and not a far superior GWR▸ engine Must...rise...above...it... But 60163 would definitely beat a King or Castle in a fight anyday  And she'd steam on a candle flame, by the look of things - she was blowing off even when rattling along at full chat! |
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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2009, 10:46:42 » |
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why are charters excempt from the mk1 ban?
My understanding is if you run any rail service with Mk 1 Coaching stock, you need either a designated out of service Mk1 coach, or a Mk 2 or 3 coach at the rear. This is because if a train crashes into the back of a Mk1 carriage, it will demount itself from it's bogies or will be completely destroyed, which is bad...! However with Mark 2 and above this does not happen. Because it acts as a barrier...! Also there is the issue with Central Door Locking not present in some Mk1 carriages...  Do please correct me if i'm wrong! |
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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2009, 11:01:16 » |
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You'd expect the A1 to be better than a King or Castle as 20 years seperates the designs! I'm pretty confident that the King wouldn't disgrace itself against the A1 on the Devon banks (assuming the King didn't run a hot box!! ). Well done to the A1 guys - a fabulous project that has really captured the public's imagination. Being a western man though I still think a Castle looks and sounds better! I confidently predict that 5043 will raise a few northern eyebrows when she takes on Shap in the summer. |
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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2009, 11:06:25 » |
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why are charters excempt from the mk1 ban?
My understanding is if you run any rail service with Mk 1 Coaching stock, you need either a designated out of service Mk1 coach, or a Mk 2 or 3 coach at the rear. This is because if a train crashes into the back of a Mk1 carriage, it will demount itself from it's bogies or will be completely destroyed, which is bad...! However with Mark 2 and above this does not happen. Because it acts as a barrier...! Also there is the issue with Central Door Locking not present in some Mk1 carriages... Do please correct me if i'm wrong! I think you are correct. IIRC▸ you can't have a Mk I for passenger use at the end of the rake. West Coast railways's Jacobite/Harry Potter trains from Fort William to Mallaig use Mk Is without CDL▸ . However, the doors are fitted with extra hand operated bolts (like you have on the inside of your bathroom door at home) so although passengers can unlockand open their own door It isn't so easy for them to do it accidentally because it is a two step process. Staff can pass down the train and visually check that the bolts are locked. |
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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2009, 11:37:06 » |
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Absolutely correct.
Charters using mk I stock either run with an out-of-use mk I at either end (on a steam charter this is not so much of a problem, as there is invariably a staff-only "support coach" carrying the loco support crew immediately behind the tender) or with an "in-service" mk II. In general these trains tend to run with a mk II vehicle carrying passengers on the rear rather than an empty mk I, for obvious commercial reasons - my train on Saturday certainly did.
And all mainline mk I stock is now fitted with "lash-up" secondary (not central) door locking, consisting of a bolt on the inside. I'd love to know who risk-assessed that, since there is no external emergency release mechanism (other than smashing the droplight and reaching inside).
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G.Uard
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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2009, 14:04:12 » |
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Shame they choose an LNER» engine and not a far superior GWR▸ engine Must...rise...above...it... But 60163 would definitely beat a King or Castle in a fight anyday And she'd steam on a candle flame, by the look of things - she was blowing off even when rattling along at full chat! Possibly...but not a completely new built King or Castle. Kings had a higher tractive effort I believe. GWR locos were so much more handsome too. |
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inspector_blakey
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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2009, 23:05:54 » |
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Well, OK they have a higher tractive effort (40,300 lb vs. 37,400 lb, but only because the King has pissy little driving wheels, put 6' 2" wheels on an A1 and you get an A2 with tractive effort of 40,430...I'm taking my anorak off now) but give me the A1 any day. It looks so much more modern and impressive. It's not all arty-farty copper-and-brass trimmed, the design is just sheer elegance. Not quite in the league of the Gresley A3s a la Flying Scotsman (the best looking locomotives ever to grace the face of the Earth if you ask me, nothing Swindon ever produced can compete for looks!) but still a fantastic-looking machine. I have to admit to being a bit disappointed when they announced 60163 would be unveiled in apple green, lettered British Railways but having seen her in the flesh I'm a convert! Something tells me I might be fighting a bit of a losing battle trying to convince people on here that the LNER» was better than the GWR▸ though...  |
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« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2009, 08:11:17 » |
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Something tells me I might be fighting a bit of a losing battle trying to convince people on here that the LNER» was better than the GWR▸ though... You are right there |
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Starship just experienced what we call a rapid unscheduled disassembly, or a RUD, during ascent,”
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G.Uard
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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2009, 08:27:55 » |
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Apple Green!!! Is it an Aga or a locomotive? Answers on a postcard please... |
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