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« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2009, 23:25:41 » |
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I'm sure I read somewhere that FGW▸ 's justification for removing a carriage was that it would improve acceleration and thus speed up services with lots of stops (into which I read the Cotswold line). This was some time ago though, I guess things have changed since then.
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« Reply #31 on: March 11, 2009, 16:22:21 » |
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But it is not just the loss of the restaurant (which is very popular on the services I mention). It is the loss of seats!
I think you forget that they originally wanted TROLLEYS As far as I know, FGW▸ are already spening more money than they wished, hence proposed cuts in certain areas...... |
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« Reply #32 on: March 11, 2009, 17:07:50 » |
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But it is not just the loss of the restaurant (which is very popular on the services I mention). It is the loss of seats!
I think you forget that they originally wanted TROLLEYS As far as I know, FGW▸ are already spening more money than they wished, hence proposed cuts in certain areas...... Andrew Haines spent money where it was needed but it was more money than "Sir" Moir* would have liked. Now Andrew is gone we are getting the cuts * I am sure that you are a very nice man Mr Lockhead, just don't think you deserved a knighood "for services to transport" when your companies have been decidedly mixed in passenger service. |
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« Reply #33 on: March 11, 2009, 18:30:11 » |
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Also led to believe the current MD is spending too much...!
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« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2009, 18:30:59 » |
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I think you forget that they originally wanted TROLLEYS
Did I? ...Although the plans are better than the original trolley idea (and the NXEC▸ proposals) I still think it is a VERY bad move.
And how much money will FGW▸ waste paying compensation to passengers expecting a Pullman etc? |
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« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2009, 18:34:48 » |
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A mini-buffet set is highly unlikely to ever go west of Bristol under normal circumstances (perhaps on summer Saturdays). They will make up a third of the fleet, which means Oxford/Cotswolds and Bristol diagrams - and even if there is a problem, as devon metro says, a suitable set with a full buffet will be stepped up for a West Country or South Wales service.
1154 & 1953 EXD» - PAD» services are currently all 2+7 with trolley service, so no reason why they won't have a 'mini-buffet'. |
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« Reply #36 on: March 11, 2009, 18:35:31 » |
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Whatever happened to "subject to availability"
I think the chances of a non buffet set not being at Paddington between 1730 and 1803 is highly unlikely. Its also worth noting that the set that forms the up Golden Hind forms the return. If FGW▸ were being sensible, they would try not to swap the diagram:
1A76 0505 PNZ-PAD» , 1B25 1045 PAD-SWA» , 1L71 1429 SWA-PAD, 1C92 1803 PAD-PNZ.
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« Reply #37 on: March 11, 2009, 18:38:15 » |
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I am talking about a train failure. And as other members have pointed out, HST▸ availability is poor (and is about to get worse when the 180s go).
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« Reply #38 on: March 11, 2009, 18:39:22 » |
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Also led to believe the current MD is spending too much...!
Don't panic, new financial year is only a couple of weeks away  (How many times have I heard that one recently!) |
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« Reply #39 on: March 11, 2009, 18:40:48 » |
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One 2+8 Low Density Sets with 407xx Buffet Vehicle is kept spare at Old Oak during the day anyway.
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« Reply #40 on: March 11, 2009, 23:33:01 » |
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A mini-buffet set is highly unlikely to ever go west of Bristol under normal circumstances (perhaps on summer Saturdays). They will make up a third of the fleet, which means Oxford/Cotswolds and Bristol diagrams - and even if there is a problem, as devon metro says, a suitable set with a full buffet will be stepped up for a West Country or South Wales service.
1154 & 1953 EXD» - PAD» services are currently all 2+7 with trolley service, so no reason why they won't have a 'mini-buffet'. But they're not peak restaurant/travelling chef trains all the way to Plymouth and Cornwall, which is what certain people are getting exercised about here. The overwhelming majority of regular work, day in, day out, will be Cotswold/Bristol/Cheltenham services. |
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« Reply #41 on: March 12, 2009, 09:37:46 » |
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And how much money will FGW▸ waste paying compensation to passengers expecting a Pullman etc?
I'm fairly sure that lack of a Pulman service is not grounds for paying compensation  True, pullmans are frequently canceled and AFAIK▸ no compensation is payable in such cases. Enjoy the pullman while you can ! I doubt that the new trains will have a proper restaurant, we will be lucky to get a buffet if other new trains are anything to go by!. |
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2009, 12:11:10 » |
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Technically..... could FGW▸ purchase an additional MK3 carriage thats going spare, (think the ones that NXEC▸ were originally having) and convert it for HST▸ use, to enable an additional coach to be added to replace the space in the formation left by the bufet car? This would dramatically increase the seating, while also allowing easy installation of the mini buffet, with no loss of seats. Would this dramatically change the accelration speeds which FGW hope to improve though???
I personnaly would much rather hvae a guaranteed seat than a buffet car anyday.
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« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2009, 15:48:05 » |
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Most of the saving from 2+7 comes from the leasing costs of the extra coach. Having an extra coach would negate this benefit.
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« Reply #44 on: March 14, 2009, 16:06:23 » |
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Most of the saving from 2+7 comes from the leasing costs of the extra coach. Having an extra coach would negate this benefit.
Had the economy not taken such a nose-dive then that may have been a cost worth having, but at the moment I can't blame FGW▸ for being cautious. Should things improve then perhaps that will still be an option? Although the performance of a 2+7 is better than a 2+8 it really is negligible and really not worth exploiting in terms of shaving minutes off of the timetable. Here's a link to my Blue Peter style graph of acceleration performance: http://img249.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=00854_img344_122_362lo.jpg |
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