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Question: who wants commuter services between okehampton and exeter at peak times?
yes - 16 (88.9%)
no - 2 (11.1%)
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« Reply #30 on: November 18, 2008, 17:53:08 »
why is that? i used to catch the swt ones to paignton for a decent journey
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« Reply #31 on: November 18, 2008, 18:34:12 »
Because Exeter - Waterloo will be hourly.
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« Reply #32 on: November 18, 2008, 18:37:51 »
Quote from: relex109 on November 18, 2008, 17:53:08
why is that? i used to catch the swt ones to paignton for a decent journey

Because the DaFT» (Department for Transport - critical sounding abbreviation I discourage - about) decreed that the service would not be part of the franchise specification once the Waterloo service went hourly as the units would be required for that.
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« Reply #33 on: November 18, 2008, 21:07:50 »
oh ok that makes sence
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« Reply #34 on: November 21, 2008, 06:51:27 »
Dream ON

Yes Okehampton Should be back on the Railway map, but it's not going to happen.

FGW▸ (First Great Western) could do it but they are loosing money hand over fist, with far too many managers, with bad train crew rostering, the massive use of contractors, (who are there to make as much as they can out of FGW), etc

SWT▸ (South West Trains) could run a very limited service Early and late to/from Okie on the back of the first and last trains of the Day from Exeter S D to Waterloo.

The owners of Dartmoor Rail could if they can get around Hugh Loops run a service to Yeoford (Rebuilt Downside platform) and make connections to the Barny Exeter trains But 90% of would be passengers would be lost because of changing trains Better for Dartmoor Rail to build platforms at Coleford Junction.

The best hope for regular trains to Okie would be Open Access but that would need services run from Okie to London, or Birmingham, Manchester etc, where most revenue would come from the Rail Settlement Plan ie pick the pocket  of FGW by running trains to London Grin

Yes I know there are NO spare paths for trains to/from London, but then there were no spare paths to/from London KX for Grand Central. Somehow they run!
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« Reply #35 on: November 21, 2008, 18:33:43 »
Quote from: smokey on November 21, 2008, 06:51:27
Dream ON

Yes Okehampton Should be back on the Railway map, but it's not going to happen.

FGW▸ (First Great Western) could do it but they are loosing money hand over fist, with far too many managers, with bad train crew rostering, the massive use of contractors, (who are there to make as much as they can out of FGW), etc

SWT▸ (South West Trains) could run a very limited service Early and late to/from Okie on the back of the first and last trains of the Day from Exeter S D to Waterloo.

The owners of Dartmoor Rail could if they can get around Hugh Loops run a service to Yeoford (Rebuilt Downside platform) and make connections to the Barny Exeter trains But 90% of would be passengers would be lost because of changing trains Better for Dartmoor Rail to build platforms at Coleford Junction.

The best hope for regular trains to Okie would be Open Access but that would need services run from Okie to London, or Birmingham, Manchester etc, where most revenue would come from the Rail Settlement Plan ie pick the pocket  of FGW by running trains to London Grin

Yes I know there are NO spare paths for trains to/from London, but then there were no spare paths to/from London KX for Grand Central. Somehow they run!

i know the dpl is going in at axminster but more sections of double track would increase capacity so so much, maybee bringing in an open access company could create more funding for this and there are so many other issues sad thing is all of these ideas would work and be profitable if it wasnt for stupid conditions of franchises
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« Reply #36 on: November 21, 2008, 18:46:23 »
Why Open Access?

Why can't SWT▸ (South West Trains) run it as I described above?
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« Reply #37 on: November 21, 2008, 19:17:29 »
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Why Open Access?

Why can't SWT▸ (South West Trains) run it as I described above?

that is actually a really easy way of doing it and the way it should happen
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« Reply #38 on: November 21, 2008, 19:43:43 »
They'd probably be loosing money by running empty stock to Okehampton which could be rammed full elsewhere on their network.
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« Reply #39 on: November 21, 2008, 20:30:15 »
Ok, peak trains.

And with proper Park and Ride etc. I don't see why a two hourly (for example) service would be empty.
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« Reply #40 on: November 21, 2008, 20:45:38 »
The stock would be better utilised extended to Paignton or Plymouth!
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« Reply #41 on: November 21, 2008, 20:53:16 »
fgw should have locos and coaches from exmouth to paignton the trains are always packed this would free up lots of units!
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« Reply #42 on: November 21, 2008, 20:54:53 »
And how much longer are the journey times bearing in mind off peak they make 15 stops!
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« Reply #43 on: November 21, 2008, 21:50:31 »
Quote from: relex109 on November 21, 2008, 20:53:16
fgw should have locos and coaches from exmouth to paignton the trains are always packed this would free up lots of units!
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I suppose the stock would be better used for Plymouth services, but the occasional train would be well utilised (i.e. peak).
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« Reply #44 on: November 21, 2008, 22:32:46 »
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And how much longer are the journey times bearing in mind off peak they make 15 stops!

is it really slower for a loco with 4 coaches so quite light to accelerate and slower for passengers to get off (6 doors on a double pacer 8 on 4 coaches,....?)
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