Loco hauled

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[6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01]

well i dont think there is a shortage of older coaches and locos is there?

[thetrout]

The amount of LHCS^▸ (Locomotive Hauled Coaching Stock) ive seen around the railway in places like Derby, Crewe, London I doubt very much that there is a shortage of LHCS.

however an insider did tell me that alot of it is incompatible with certain locos and other carriages of the same type (MKII etc).

but having said that of the LHCS i've seen there alot of it in GW^▸ (Great Western) Fag Packet livery. So why FGW^▸ (First Great Western) don't use it to relieve overcrowding on busier routes such as the Portsmouth - Cardiff lines is beyond me.

I for one would quite like to see a FGW refurbished MK2 and a loco such as a 67 or 47 in FGW dynamic lines livery

[6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01]

were just going to get arguments from people saying station linger time station linger time..... i dont care i want a seat!!!!! and i want more people off the road!

[devon_metro]

were just going to get arguments from people saying station linger time station linger time..... i dont care i want a seat!!!!! and i want more people off the road!

Your theory is flawed. If it takes longer, why are they going to ditch the faster car?

[6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01]

were just going to get arguments from people saying station linger time station linger time..... i dont care i want a seat!!!!! and i want more people off the road!

Your theory is flawed. If it takes longer, why are they going to ditch the faster car?

i admit that in devon full on gridlock is not as bad as certain parts of the country however im sure you will agree that some morning getting into exeter or plymouth is not fun!, and if you are not lucky enough to have a carpark at work then well....

anyway my main point is the environment and the fact that not everyone can afford to use the car anymore

[G.Uard]

Purely rumour, though from a knowledgeable source.

FGW^▸ (First Great Western) wish to keep, (beyond the May timetable changes),  the loco hauled set currently doing TAU^» (Taunton - next trains)-CDF^» (Cardiff - next trains) duties.  67 haulage to be ditched in favour of additional FGW 57s, which will be 'pooled' with the current sleeper service traction.  Don't discount the possibility of another set and possible use of locos + 4 on summer Saturdays BRI^» (Bristol Temple Meads - next trains)- Devon

[devon_metro]

Purely rumour, though from a knowledgeable source.

FGW^▸ (First Great Western) wish to keep, (beyond the May timetable changes),  the loco hauled set currently doing TAU^» (Taunton - next trains)-CDF^» (Cardiff - next trains) duties.  67 haulage to be ditched in favour of additional FGW 57s, which will be 'pooled' with the current sleeper service traction.  Don't discount the possibility of another set and possible use of locos + 4 on summer Saturdays BRI^» (Bristol Temple Meads - next trains)- Devon

Have heard something that would make that all very possible.

Relex109 - you refer to not full scale gridlock. Can I suggest a trip along the A380 from Newton Abbot - Sainsburys Paignton - fun!

[thetrout]

Relex109 - you refer to not full scale gridlock. Can I suggest a trip along the A380 from Newton Abbot - Sainsburys Paignton - fun!

Try A38 Around the Liskeard Dobwalls area, Now thats fun!!! especially during the summer holiday season, a simple 20 Minute bus journey between Liskeard and Dobwalls took 1 Hour an 15 minutes. would have been quicker to walk, literually

However once the Dobwalls Bypass is completed, much less of a problem... Well... Maybe...

[6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01]

work for citylink trust me i seen the gridlock first hand, but i have also been stuck in a car for three and a half hours from manchester city centre to astley (nr bolton) no that is GRIDLOCK! LOL^▸ (laughing out loud)

[DanielP]

I have no actual knowledge of what is going on with potential loco hauled situation, but it occurs to me that Arriva probably have approx 3x four car rakes of MK2 aircon stock. Might this have something to do with it??

Daniel

[paul7575]

Any likelihood of keeping or increasing 180s must surely be impossible now anyway, with all those ECML^▸ (East Coast Main Line) open access operators needing them being approved today?

Paul

[broadgage]

Loco hauled services can be expensive to run, but are useful for increasing capacity and therefore customer satisfaction.
To loco haul 12 coaches costs more than 6, but not twice as much, therefore it would seem that the best use would be a 10/12 coach loco hauled train on whatever the busiest HST^▸ (High Speed Train) diagram is.
This would free an HST to displace a DMU^▸ (Diesel Multiple Unit) from whatever the busiest DMU diagram is, thus freeing one or two DMUs and allowing lengthing of the most overcrowded services.
Therefore the introduction of one or two full length loco hauled trains would bring real benifits to many passengers, not just those on board.

Perhaps a long loco hauled set of coaches could be used on the Golden Hind (up and down) This service is frequently very overcrowded, and is meant to be especialy important.
Does anyone know if a 67 with coaches could keep to HST times? or would two 67s be required?

[Doctor Gideon Ceefax]

You'd need Mark III coaches, as the Mark II's are only certified for 100mph running

[inspector_blakey]

Aren't loco-hauled (as opposed to HST^▸ (High Speed Train) trailer) mk IIIs limited to 110 mph or am I barking up the wrong tree?

But surely the Golden Hind only has the chance to run at 125 between Reading and Padd anyway? I'd have thought that it would be acceleration away from station stops rather than top speed that would be key to keeping time on that kind of service.

[thetrout]

You'd need Mark III coaches, as the Mark II's are only certified for 100mph running

Isn't there only a few places that the HST^▸ (High Speed Train) can do 125MPH? I'm pretty sure that Reading - London is 125, But between Taunton & Westbury it's only 90 - 100MPH

So would it really make much of a difference.

But a MK3 Loco Hauled would be better than MK2 because they can carry more passengers, but you'd need SDO^▸ (Selective Door Opening) because some platforms can only just accomodate 8 carriages...