East West Rail Link Secures ^2m For Next Chapter

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[Lee]

Promoters of the East West Rail Link have secured ^2m to carry out GRIP^▸ (Guide to Railway Investment Projects) Stage 4 work as part of Network Rail's eight-stage GRIP project development process (link below.)
http://www.transportbriefing.co.uk/story.php?id=5212

Further GRIP 3 work will also be required to take into account Chiltern Railways' recently announced plans to create a link between Oxford and London Marylebone and the plans for an eco-town at Weston Otmoor near Oxford.

[Worcester_Passenger]

Pardon my ignorance - but what does "GRIP^▸ (Guide to Railway Investment Projects)" stand for and what do stages 3 and 4 involve?

[IndustryInsider]

Pardon my ignorance - but what does "GRIP^▸ (Guide to Railway Investment Projects)" stand for and what do stages 3 and 4 involve?

GRIP stands for Guide to Railway Investment Projects. It's a eight stage process, but it's not until stage six before any actual physical work commences! Perhaps that demonstrates just how long-winded it is to actually get anything built in this country!

   1. Output definition
   2. Pre-feasibility
   3. Option selection
   4. Single option selection
   5. Detailed design
   6. Construction test & commision
   7. Scheme hand back
   8. Project close out

I thought that the Chiltern announcement would throw a bit of a spanner in the works to the East-West Rail proposals, but perhaps the overall cost of the scheme will reduce as a result?

[Andy]

Maybe the fact that part of the route is already receiving investment will focus minds on the project, too. People love bandwagons!

[Electric train]

It is a good sign that it has got to GRIP^▸ (Guide to Railway Investment Projects) 4, (GRIP is an agreed process with OOR and DoTp) it allows for outline design (stage A) which enables costs to be determined so many projects and schemes fall at GRIP 3.

NR^» (Network Rail - home page) is now in a stage of its evolution to be seeking to enhance and build new.

[Lee]

Oxford Mail article link.
http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/3700524.East_West_rail_link_gets___2m/

"The intention is to run half-hourly services between Oxford and Milton Keynes once the track has been doubled so that trains can run at 90mph.

"Given a fair wind, the Oxford to Milton Keynes line could be opened in two to three years, but a link between Bedford and Cambridge is much more problematic."

[Worcester_Passenger]

GRIP^▸ (Guide to Railway Investment Projects) stands for Guide to Railway Investment Projects. It's a eight stage process, but it's not until stage six before any actual physical work commences! Perhaps that demonstrates just how long-winded it is to actually get anything built in this country!

   1. Output definition
   2. Pre-feasibility
   3. Option selection
   4. Single option selection
   5. Detailed design
   6. Construction test & commision
   7. Scheme hand back
   8. Project close out

I thought that the Chiltern announcement would throw a bit of a spanner in the works to the East-West Rail proposals, but perhaps the overall cost of the scheme will reduce as a result?

Thanks for that. Can we have that added to the 'acronyms' list?

[Btline]

It's not going to get any further than Milton Keynes!

a - a reversal would be required (or an expensive new line from Milton to the Bdfd-Bltchly line) - this would also snarl up the busy WCML^▸ (West Coast Main Line)

b - the very important and beneficial 2012 Olympic rowing lake is severing the route east of Bedford, and a bridge is too expensive (plus would make rowing impossible)

c - a Park and Ride site (and probably lots of homes) blocks the route at Cambridge.

But Oxford to Milton (and London Marylebone to Milton) is very desirable. How about an extension to Buckingham/ Silverstone / or an M45/M6 -M1 parkway for Chiltern?

And why 90 mph? The route is straight, they need to be aiming for 100 at the least! I can't see it costing much more, and it's not as if the trains will stop much!

[willc]

The promoters of the scheme have every intention of integrating the Bletchley-Bedford service into East-West, even if it does involve reversals at Bletchley and MK^▸ (Milton Keynes), or just calling at Bletchley, which is, after all, the station for the southern part of Milton Keynes anyway. See map of the  East-West aspirations (Cambridge not included as no-one knows where the money might come from for that):

http://www.eastwestrail.org.uk/downloads/Maps/schematic_milton_keynes_south_mid.pdf

[Btline]

The promoters of the scheme have every intention of integrating the Bletchley-Bedford service into East-West, even if it does involve reversals at Bletchley and MK^▸ (Milton Keynes), or just calling at Bletchley, which is, after all, the station for the southern part of Milton Keynes anyway. See map of the  East-West aspirations (Cambridge not included as no-one knows where the money might come from for that):

http://www.eastwestrail.org.uk/downloads/Maps/schematic_milton_keynes_south_mid.pdf

Yes, but the killer point is the fact that it won't go further than Bedford!

[Electric train]

The re modeling design of Blechley and Milton Keynes has had to take into account the possible future Oxford - Bedford link by not irrevocably preventing such a link, this is Network Rail actually looking to the future of the 2030 railway and not just looking at today.

I think even if the project were fail this time around it is not totally doomed.  Interesting also is this has relit the fire in some of the campaigners for the rebuilding of the High Wycombe to Bourne End line.

[willc]

The promoters of the scheme have every intention of integrating the Bletchley-Bedford service into East-West, even if it does involve reversals at Bletchley and MK^▸ (Milton Keynes), or just calling at Bletchley, which is, after all, the station for the southern part of Milton Keynes anyway. See map of the  East-West aspirations (Cambridge not included as no-one knows where the money might come from for that):

http://www.eastwestrail.org.uk/downloads/Maps/schematic_milton_keynes_south_mid.pdf

Yes, but the killer point is the fact that it won't go further than Bedford!

And how is this a killer point? MK will be one of the biggest cities in Britain by 2020 and further development in the area between Oxford, Bicester, Aylesbury and MK will add many more people to the mix. East of Bedford, the only place of any size the old route served before Cambridge was Sandy - and it's no Milton Keynes.

Yes, going all the way to Cambridge would be nice, but as you point out, there are problems with the route beyond Bedford, while reopening the full route west of there is pretty straightforward and would be of immense benefit to all the places it serves, so let's get on with that, even if Cambridge takes a while longer.

[John R]

My last but two house was built on the trackbed of the railway at Sandy, as part of an estate built in the late 80s. Despite that, a relatively straightforward diversion was planned north of the housing. The only stumbling block has been the decision, hotly contested, to build a rowing lake at Willington, east of Bedford. It's never been clear in my mind why, with the whole of the country to choose from, a site had to be chosen that effectively killed off one of the most potentially useful railway projects. However, maybe the fact that when I moved to Sandy it was under consideration, and 17 years later even the "easier" western section has not been opened, well that says it all.

Hopefully when the western section opens, and is hugely successful, the councillors of Bedford will realise how short sighted they were in allowing the Rowing Lake, and how they have impacted on the transport links of their town and county. But of course, they won't care.

[eightf48544]

I thought that the Chiltern announcement would throw a bit of a spanner in the works to the East-West Rail proposals, but perhaps the overall cost of the scheme will reduce as a result?

The Chiltern scheme is said to fully compatible with any East West Scheme plus the fact that Chiltern reckon they could do their project in a relatively (for current railway work) short time should give added impetus to the East West scheme.

It's not going to get any further than Milton Keynes!

a - a reversal would be required (or an expensive new line from Milton to the Bdfd-Bltchly line) - this would also snarl up the busy WCML^▸ (West Coast Main Line)

b - the very important and beneficial 2012 Olympic rowing lake is severing the route east of Bedford, and a bridge is too expensive (plus would make rowing impossible)

c - a Park and Ride site (and probably lots of homes) blocks the route at Cambridge.

But Oxford to Milton (and London Marylebone to Milton) is very desirable. How about an extension to Buckingham/ Silverstone / or an M45/M6 -M1 parkway for Chiltern?

And why 90 mph? The route is straight, they need to be aiming for 100 at the least! I can't see it costing much more, and it's not as if the trains will stop much!

The extra capacity at Milton Kenes is said to able to take an East West Service.

b. Olympic rowing is in Eton College's gravel pit in Dorney nearest station Taplow!

Chiltern are proposing to have a station  at the North Oxford Park and ride near to the M40/A34 junction. They already have an A46 parkway near Warwick.

Chiltern are also proposing 100 mph from Bicester to Wolvercote tunnel.

The re modeling design of Blechley and Milton Keynes has had to take into account the possible future Oxford - Bedford link by not irrevocably preventing such a link, this is Network Rail actually looking to the future of the 2030 railway and not just looking at today.

I think even if the project were fail this time around it is not totally doomed.  Interesting also is this has relit the fire in some of the campaigners for the rebuilding of the High Wycombe to Bourne End line.

If only for Bourne End - Wycombe, coupled with the East West route with its must have  link North from Ayesbury gives a sort of cross of railways linking the South with North and the county town of Ayesbury.

East of Bedford appears to more problematic but it ought be in teh plans with possibly a triangle onto the ECML^▸ (East Coast Main Line) to allow Oxford Milton Keynes Bedford Peterborugh trains.

Of course you've also got the option of going North from Bedford. Didn't someone come up with Corby - Swindon service.

Of course D(a)fT aren't going to allow any scheme even  Chiltern's so don't hold your breath.

[Btline]

Look: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/5197422.stm

It is an Olympic one, and I think it is a scandal. And I bet Tessa Jowell will be full of "the Olympics will benefit everyone" when it opens - nonsense, this lake has ended the possibility of an East West arc (from Dicot to Norwich perhaps connecting the GWML^▸ (Great Western Main Line), Cotswold, Chiltern, GC^» (Great Central Railway - link to heritage line), WCML^▸ (West Coast Main Line), MML^» (Midland Main Line. - about), ECML^▸ (East Coast Main Line), GEML^▸ (Great Eastern Main Line) and Anglia region) allowing people to avoid London. It would have been really difficult for the cash to be raised if the trackbed was still there, but with the possibility of several diversion (the main one being this) it is now regarded as "never going to happen).

But the Olympics are more important than that of course!
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What I meant by "killer point" was about getting a full East West Link.
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I know about Warwick and Water Eaton Parkways, but Chiltern have expressed an interest in extending their line further up the Grand Central trackbed (let's face it - no-one else is going to use it the way things are going) towards Rugby the M45/M1/M6. This would relieve pressure on the M1.
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I, however, still think that getting as far as Milton would be fantastic!