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« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2008, 20:56:54 » |
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The voyagers do have one plus over the HSTS, if one engine is playing up/not working on a voyager, the train can still be used, but if a power car on an HST▸ isn't working, the train can't go anywhere as far as i know
Also, the voyagers have the slidey blind thingys (yes thingy is a technical term thank you!) so you dont get blinded by the sun late afternoon (which i know from experience)...ok, so my train knowledge is only limited to anything between Bath Spa and Cheltenham Spa, but are there any other trains that have blinds (due to a tempory mind blank, i can't remember if the FGW▸ hst's have any type of blind)
and the overall size of the toilets on a voyager are much better than on an HST.
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« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2008, 21:10:28 » |
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An HST▸ can run with one engine there is a video on You Tube of this.
The blinds are one of the eorst things about Vomiters, because a selfish person can shut the blind and ruin your (potentially long) journey.
The toilets are a waste of space, esp on trains which regualry suffer critical overcrowding.
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« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2008, 21:24:27 » |
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The toilets are a waste of space, esp on trains which regualry suffer critical overcrowding.
Agree. As was the shop as designed. The overall capacity of the 4 coach sets is pathetic, with just 186 seats in total, and only 160 standard. And it was a surprise that they were overcrowded? |
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« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2008, 21:50:53 » |
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So that equates to 40 seats per coach in standard!!!
A FGW▸ HST▸ with 2 standard class carriages and a first class coach would provide more seating capacity!
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« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2008, 22:22:10 » |
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So that equates to 40 seats per coach in standard!!!
Maths is not one of your strongpoints, then? |
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« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2008, 22:36:19 » |
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dont know where you got your info from Shadow ...but an HST▸ can run perfectly well on one power car
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« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2008, 22:38:31 » |
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So that equates to 40 seats per coach in standard!!!
Maths is not one of your strongpoints, then? Easy mistake to make, we're not all perfect  |
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« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2008, 22:48:50 » |
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Just as a matter of interest, would the one working power car on the HST▸ have to be the front one, or could it be either?
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« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2008, 23:43:33 » |
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Just as a matter of interest, would the one working power car on the HST▸ have to be the front one, or could it be either?
AFAIK▸ either - got stuck in Truro last year when the front car failed - driver tried to go with the rear car but the wheels spun up trying to get up the 20ft gradient to the southern portal. |
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« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2008, 00:11:01 » |
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just out of interest and im probably wrong...again
but anyway if a hst fails in the southwest up til 1900 couldnt the loco used on the sleeper train do a drag rather than cutting the service? or replacing with a pacer>/?
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« Reply #25 on: October 05, 2008, 10:02:31 » |
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Could be either P/C Chris, interestingly though when both are working each P/C performs different roles according to the direction of travel, and if one fails the remaining one can do everything.
The HST▸ set was technically advanced for it day in the fact the trailer car suspension does incorporate an automatic rudimentary tilt system.
It would be possible to rescue an HST with the Sleeper loco or any loco with a standard coupling hook, but due to the diagramming of stock i expect the thinking would be get the set back to the depot as quick as possible to fix it
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« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2008, 10:44:25 » |
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Just as a matter of interest, would the one working power car on the HST▸ have to be the front one, or could it be either?
It can be done although is not a desirable option. The rear powercar usually provides ETH (train electrics) so runs constantly when "idling" in the equivalent of notch 2 (out of 5) If one powercar fails, the other functioning powercar thus has to provide ETH whilst powering the train, quite a load! AFAIK▸ HSTs with one faulty powercar are not permitted to proceed west from Newton Abbot over the devon banks without a class 57 to help out. |
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« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2009, 16:43:15 » |
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On a trip from Southampton on a Voyager the other evening (quite late, so for once a 4-car was more than adequate), I boarded the quiet coach and was greeted to all the seat reservation displays saying 'This seat maybe reserved for all or part of the journey". It struck me as to how singularly useless that message would be to anyone!
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« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2009, 18:12:14 » |
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Just as a matter of interest, would the one working power car on the HST▸ have to be the front one, or could it be either?
It can be done although is not a desirable option. The rear powercar usually provides ETH (train electrics) so runs constantly when "idling" in the equivalent of notch 2 (out of 5) If one powercar fails, the other functioning powercar thus has to provide ETH whilst powering the train, quite a load! AFAIK▸ HSTs with one faulty powercar are not permitted to proceed west from Newton Abbot over the devon banks without a class 57 to help out. I've been over the Devon Banks with one powercar admittedly in 1992 or 3. Don't forget one HST powercar puts out more drawbar horsepower than a King. Provided the rails are dry it's slow but sure and as it was a Valetta, noisy, I had my head out over Ratterly. We were very late. |
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« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2009, 18:13:38 » |
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AFAIK▸ HSTs▸ with one faulty powercar are not permitted to proceed west from Newton Abbot over the devon banks without a class 57 to help out.
I thought they could go through to Plymouth, but had to go non-stop from Newton Abbot to get over the Devon banks? I have a few times filled out NTS orders for Totnes for a HST on 1 powercar. |
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